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From: cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: Why not walk them home?
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Date: Mon, 10-Jun-85 13:09:25 EDT
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Posted: Mon Jun 10 13:09:25 1985
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> Last nite (tuesday 6/4/85) a late nite news item on TV caught my thoughts.
> 
> A woman had had a fight with her room mate (sex unnamed) and had gone
> 
> out for a walk (alone about 11:00 PM) after walking about her own home
> neighborhood for a while 2 men came up to her and withthe aid of a gun
> forced her to accompany them. 
> As they approached a house where two men where working in their yard
> on a motorcyle she quickly walked up to them and told them that the
> two men with her were going to hurt her and asked for help.
> 
> One of the assailants promptly hit one of the men and the other man
> was shot when he tried to help out. In the mean time the first man
> managed to call the police but the 2 attacking men got away.
> ( I am not too sure on that as I could not get to the TV in time
> to turn up the sound)
> 
> It would seem that we women are really getting into a hard place
> under a rock here.
> 
> We can ask for help, as anyone male or female should be able to do,
> or we can try to be our own defense.
> What then should be our reaction if the people we apply for help to 
> get blown away in the process and of course we know where we are if we
> get blasted ourselves.
> 
> The man who was shot left behind a wife and family.
> 
> QUESTION:
> 
> knowing even this little bit how many of you men reading this 
> upon finding yourself in a like situation would step to the aid
> of the strange woman?
> 

I would *never* get into a fight with two rapists unarmed --- but then
again, I am never more than 30 seconds from a firearm, except when I am
at work.  The correct reaction to the situation described above is to
go back into the house, get a firearm, and encourage the two rapists
to go away or die.  I would be surprised if a rapist is going to risk
his life just to commit a rape, and I would be very surprised if a rapist
would risk an even-handed fight.

> I'm not taking a poll I'm just curious since there have been a goodly
> number of men saying - in effect - I can be trusted to protect you
> if you only let me know that is what you want or need at the moment.
> But if it came down to the chance to leave your loved ones unprotected
> in the long run would you be as willing to come to the aid of a 
> relative stranger?
> 
> Does the horror of rape and assault really have enough weight in your
> mind to allow you to walk into a situation kknowing that there is some
> chance (admitedly small) that you might never walk out of it?
> 

Certainly --- it could be my wife or daughter in that situation.  I think
people are overlooking an important issue relating to this --- the 
collapse of religion in this century has left a lot of people in the
situation where they are so fearful of death, that they will do almost
*anything* to cling on to life.  Perhaps the reason that totalitarianism
has been so successful in this century is that most people will commit
any atrocity, or allow any atrocity to be committed in their presence,
rather than take a chance on death.

> Think - hard - because there is every chance in the world that if a woman
> you agree to escort is attacked in your company you will be hurt just because
> you are there even if you make no move to aid her at all!!
> 
> jeanette l. zobjeck
> ihnp4!ihlpa!zubbie
> 
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