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From: cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: \"Why not send the men home?\"
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Date: Mon, 10-Jun-85 13:14:07 EDT
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> > As for the statistic that 33% of male college freshmen would commit rape
> > if they thought they could get away with it, I have never heard it before.
> > How was the figure arrived at? 
> > It just seems incredible to me that anyone would actually say 
> > this about himself.
> The statistic was cited in PSYCHOLOGY TODAY about two years
> ago. I don't know how the question was phrased, but the
> statistic came out of a study on male attitudes towards money,
> sex and dating. The statistic was somewhat higher, actually,
> when the respondents were asked about their attitudes towards
> women when the men payed for the dates--closer to 50% of the
> men felt that paying for the date entitled them to some kind
> of sex, whether the woman wanted it or not. The questioners
> then asked if, in this instance, the men would rape the women
> if they (the men) thought they could get away with it & most
> of those men said "yes." (The original article did not contain the
> exact figures & even if it had, I DID read it a few years ago.
> I just remembered being struck by the idea that one third of
> the men interviewed would rape women if they could escape the
> legal consequences. Also, I don't know if the questioners used
> the word "rape" or a less pejorative phrase like "make the
> woman have sex with you.") The article did point out that the
> investigators themselves were surprised by the findings, if
> that's any consolation to you.
> 

PSYCHOLOGY TODAY?  That's not a fit source for statistics on the 
average age of newborns!

More seriously, the phrasing of the question is *REAL* important.
If the word "rape" was used, I find the statistic hard to believe.
If the phrase "make the woman have sex with you", or "annoy the
woman into having sex", this is quite different.  (Tasteless, vulgar,
and stupid, but not a criminal act.)

> C. E. Jackson
> ...ihnp4!lznv!cja (for reasons too silly to explain,the address above 
> [lzwi] is incorrect--don't use it)

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