Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site kontron.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!pesnta!pertec!kontron!cramer From: cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) Newsgroups: net.women,net.politics Subject: Re: Discrimination and Affirmative Action Message-ID: <220@kontron.UUCP> Date: Mon, 10-Jun-85 13:44:57 EDT Article-I.D.: kontron.220 Posted: Mon Jun 10 13:44:57 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 11-Jun-85 08:35:40 EDT References: <338@unc.UUCP> <> <475@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP> Organization: Kontron Electronics, Irvine, CA Lines: 27 Xref: watmath net.women:5715 net.politics:9357 > >Anyone who states otherwise is a racist by most definitions of that > >word. I don't care what their goal is, they are still racists. > > This is our old friend the argument from name-calling. It generates > heat rather than light, so could we please refrain from using it on > the net? > The reality of what affirmative action is beginning to sink in, Mr. Carnes? Is that why you don't like it to be called what it is? > In my everyday encounters with people, I treat women and blacks > somewhat differently from white males, that is, my knowledge of a > person's race or sex can and usually does affect my actions in some > way. Part of the reason for this difference is my knowledge that > both groups suffer from deep-rooted and tenacious prejudices in our > society, and that this is an important factor in the life of each > individual woman or black. This does not mean that I have judged the > individual to be better or worse merely because he or she is black or > female, and I don't see how it makes me a racist or sexist. > > Richard Carnes, ihnp4!gargoyle!carnes This used to be called "patronizing". *I* treat everyone as an individual; if I don't know someone, I treat them dependent on the circumstances. In a dark alley, everyone, regardless of race or national origin, is a potential danger.