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From: zubbie@ihlpa.UUCP (Jeanette Zobjeck)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: My first posting to this group.
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Date: Fri, 14-Jun-85 13:38:07 EDT
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Posted: Fri Jun 14 13:38:07 1985
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> Lightweight stuff:
> 
	This stuff is as it is and will blow away eventually

> 
> 
> Medium weight:
> 
> o	On the Great Sexist Language Debate:
> 	For nouns of professions, I attempt to use a neutral term, if it isn't
> 	too awkward. If I blow it, and a sharp-eared feminist type points it
> 	out, I don't get upset. If she begins a verbal attack on me for being
> 	an MCP, I tell her to piss off.	I have little patience for people who
> 	are hunting for	inferences in my verbiage that I didn't imply.
> 
> 	Let's not butcher English up too badly, please...

	No inferences are necessary - the continued use of sexist terms
	only tends to contibute to the continued use of sexits terms
		small or large the damage remains the same.

> 
> o	On Discrimination, etc.:
> 	It sucks. It should be fixed.
> 
> Heavyweight Stuff:
> 
> o	Why do men rape?
> 	Because there are men who are aroused at the thought of dominating
> 	and/or hurting women. If they were not aroused, they would commit
> 	simple violence, not rape. Real sickos can only experience sexual
> 	release *while committing rape*. The violent aspect of rape heightens
> 	the sexual act for these men. Rape is, then, sex in synergy with
> 	violence.

	The trouble with this attitude/outlook is that it is almost
	completely dead-wrong. 

> 
> o	How do we solve the problem?
> 	Find out what makes these men tick, and try to help the ones we can,
> 	like is currently being done with child molesters. In the meantime,
> 	women will still have to be aware of the possibility of being raped.
> 	Its a sad fact of Real Life.

	BETTER solution - find out what makes these men tick and take it out.
> 
> o	How could a man understand what rape is?
> 	I quote Arlyn Fox, fox@dec-ozone:
> 	> Rape is never talking about it again, after the first time you 
> 	> try, to even your closest, most feminist male friend. For fear
> 	> you'll glance down and see the bulge in his pants, too.
> 
>    Men:	Imagine being mistakenly arrested for for a violent crime (rape, say)
> 	and thrown into a `tiger cage' with hardened criminals. These guys 
> 	(rapists, probably) don't like you very much so they decide to
> 	gang-anal-rape you and beat the crap out of you for good measure. This
> 	is the general idea for a parallel male experience. I don't think many
> 	of you would be bulging at this point.

	Almost but no cigar charley - - remove the cage and make it the 
	street in front of your house. change the mean baddies to every man
	you meet (potential) Make the time of day variable but after dark
	multiply by 100x.


> 
> o	Our criminal justice system and rape:
> 	The wheels do grind slowly. See Discrimination, etc. above.
> 
> o	Guns for personal defense (BLOW 'EM AWAY, etc.):
> 	What if your attacker surprises you, or he takes your gun away from you
> 	(this happens to cops, too, who are ostensibly the best trained
> 	civilians to use firearms.) Guns create more problems than they solve.
> 
> o 	How do you defend yourself against a rapist?
> 	Depends on the woman. For some, submitting may be more apropriate,
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^  

	REFER to my posting beginning :

	"YOU BLITHERING IDIOT...."


> 	while others can use tactics to injure the attacker, if they are
> 	physically and emotionally able. There are tradeoffs. The point
> 	is to stay alive.
> 
> There, I've said it. Can we go on to something new now?
> 
> Neal B.
> "One good thing about music, when it 'its you you feel no pain" (Bob Marley)

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