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From: greenber@timeinc.UUCP (Ross M. Greenberg)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Jeff Sonntag: You lucky S.O.B......
Message-ID: <251@timeinc.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 14-Jun-85 23:44:45 EDT
Article-I.D.: timeinc.251
Posted: Fri Jun 14 23:44:45 1985
Date-Received: Tue, 18-Jun-85 03:25:44 EDT
Reply-To: greenber@timeinc.UUCP (Ross M. Greenberg)
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Organization: Time, Inc. - New York
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Summary: 



So there's this article in net.flame, see, and it's some guy who is claiming
that women are treating men exactly as the women would rather the men *not*
treat them.  And the guy makes a good point --- why he doesn't even mention
rape once.  He's talking attitudes, see, and everybody breathes a sigh of
relief, see, 'cause this is real stuff.  We are talking a man's emotion
and how he feels that he might be getting the raw end of a deal, and so
he makes a complaint.

And then you come along and say "No. Rape is the issue." and bring up rape
when the guy wasn't speaking about it.

And the guy wasn't just speaking about his gonads. He was speaking about
a whole bunch of stuff, including the mens problems of today. You don't
have any? See the Subject above. You've never made an innocent comment
and had it taken as a sexist one? You've never held a door open for a 
women and been scorned for doing it. How about paying for dinner --- you
never had a problem with who pays based on sex?  You've never seen a
women that appeals to you and are afraid to say "Hi", cause you don't
want to appear to be coming onto her.  You've never wanted to have a
person that you can speak to that happens to be of the opposite sex
not want to speak to you because of your sex?  You've never met one of
those rabid manhaters we all hear about that hates you for your genitilia?

Boy, you are lucky!

There sure is a hell of a lot to think about in the "new" attitudes that
society has given to both men and women. I don't think that either of the
two sexes have a handle on it. And I think that's a valid thing to speak
about.  So don't you dare try to shut this guy up, and don't turn everything
over to the idea that women's only problem and concern are about rape.

Men *do* have a lot of valid concerns and problems with their own place in
society today.  And only *one* of their concerns is about rape.

Now you might disagree with me. Just don't make this into a flaming
contest.....


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