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From: todd@SCINEWS.UUCP (Todd Jones)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: Rape vs Dominance/Submission
Message-ID: <155@SCINEWS.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 18-Jun-85 18:48:21 EDT
Article-I.D.: SCINEWS.155
Posted: Tue Jun 18 18:48:21 1985
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> > In article <834@mnetor.UUCP>, sophie@mnetor.UUCP (Sophie Quigley) writes:
> Do NOT confuse rape (forced slavery)
> with willing submission.
> 
> I can quote a married lady I know as having said:  "Submission, I love it!"
> I can also assure you she has NO desire to submit to anyone but her husband.
> 
> Likewise, many men enjoy being dominant.  The fine line between dominance
> and rape is PERMISSION.
> 
Sunny-

	I agree with you basically, but why is this line fine?
	In a courtroom, attorneys may attempt to portray this
	distinction as fine, but to me permission is not grey 
	or hazy, it is blunt. Now continue...
	

> Permission is revocable at ANY time.
> 
> Therefore the following excuses for rape do not cut the mustard:
> 
> I couldn't help myself, because she:
> 	1)	Was dressed that way
> 	2)	Led me on up to point X before saying "no".
> 
> Which brings us to a whole 'nother angle of the dominance/submission game:
> 
> When does "no" mean "yes"?
> 
> No may mean: "Ask me again, I'm not really sure you really like me"
> or perhaps: "NO".
> 
> In a verbal exchange "no" may seem ambiguous, but by the time any physical
> contact has been initiated, you'd probably damn well better believe that
> "no" means "no".
> 
> So, to summarize a long story:
> 	It doesn't matter *what* she's wearing, she doesn't want to be raped.
> 	No matter who she is.  Ever. Anywhere.  At Any Time.  No How.  No Way.
> 

	By definition, a person can't want to be raped

> She may like submission, but she's got to know you well enough to trust you
> before that's workable.  That takes a lot of dating.
> 
> 	Can you see there's a difference?  No?  Nevvvver Mind!
> 
> 	Go directly to jail.  Do not pass Go.  Do not collect $200.
> 
> 		Stop the world.  I want to get off...
> 
> 		...too many bozos on this bus...
> 
> 				Sunny
> 
> -- 
> {ucbvax,decvax,ihnp4}!sun!sunny (Ms. Sunny Kirsten)




The preceding opinions are, in all likelihood, those of Todd Jones.
However, these opinions will, in all certainty, bear scant resemblance 
to the opinions of SCI Systems, Inc., Mr. Jones' employer.

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