Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site ptsfa.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!zeta!sabre!bellcore!decvax!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!umcp-cs!gymble!lll-crg!dual!ptsfa!rob From: rob@ptsfa.UUCP (Rob Bernardo) Newsgroups: net.women,net.nlang Subject: Re: Artificial vs natural language Message-ID: <702@ptsfa.UUCP> Date: Mon, 24-Jun-85 13:18:14 EDT Article-I.D.: ptsfa.702 Posted: Mon Jun 24 13:18:14 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 29-Jun-85 03:05:02 EDT References: <11267@brl-tgr.ARPA> <290@wuphys.UUCP> <5327@fortune.UUCP> <416@mtxinu.UUCP> <351@spar.UUCP> Reply-To: rob@ptsfa.UUCP (Rob Bernardo) Distribution: net Organization: Pacific Bell, San Francisco Lines: 28 Xref: watmath net.women:6128 net.nlang:3287 In article <351@spar.UUCP> ellis@spar.UUCP (Michael Ellis) writes: >>>Does anyone have information on the success of attempts of >>>"conscious" linguistic change? -- Henry Pollard >> >>The removal of the double negative from English was such a conscious >>change. It is now considered "bad grammar" to say things like "I don't >>like none of the things in that basket"... -- Ed Gould > I have heard (but am not sure I believe) that the "in'" pronunciation of the "-ing" verb ending was the standard pronunciation at some point in history, but that the "ing" pronunciation was taught in schools as the correct pronunciation by hypercorrect teachers. ['Hypercorrrect' is a term used by linguists to denote a 'bending over backwards' in the mistaken use of a certain linguistic habit as the historically original or "proper" way of speaking.] From what I remember learning in socio-linguistics, it seems to me that the easiest way to get people to make a linguistic change is to associate the desired linguistic habit with desired self-image. It used to be that the middle class would often adopt linguistic habits they believed to be those of the upper class. -- Rob Bernardo, San Ramon, California ihnp4!ptsfa!rob {nsc,ucbvax,decwrl,amd,fortune,zehntel}!dual!ptsfa!rob