Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site noscvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!qantel!hplabs!sdcrdcf!sdcsvax!noscvax!powers From: powers@noscvax.UUCP (William J. Powers) Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: Re: Torek's SECOND ANNUAL CONCLUSIVE ARGUMENT :-> Message-ID: <1012@noscvax.UUCP> Date: Mon, 15-Jul-85 10:58:46 EDT Article-I.D.: noscvax.1012 Posted: Mon Jul 15 10:58:46 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 19-Jul-85 03:18:19 EDT References: <789@umcp-cs.UUCP> Distribution: na Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego Lines: 36 > This is getting long, so I'll give my answer now and save the reasons > for later. As far as depriving it of life, an individual H. sapiens > merits comparable concern and protection to that given adults, AS SOON > AS IT BECOMES SENTIENT (i.e. capable of an experience of any sort (sight, > touch, pain, etc.)) if it can be expected to live to be a normal adult. > ("Normal" in any sense that is considered ethically relevant to the > concern and protection for adults -- an issue I would like to beg by > simply assuming that I can here apply whatever the right view is there.) > > OK netland, you can flame away now. --Paul V Torek As I've pointed out before, morality has nothing what-so-ever to do with equal protection. I would agree that concern for fetuses (and ALL living forms) is a moral issue. However, there is absolutely nothing intrinsic about fetuses, children, adults, and pets that implies they require equal protection or concern. As long as there are different words for these creatures, they are distinct and subject to different treatment. That doesn`t mean that they have to be treated differently. The moral issue is embedded in the degree of concern. The particular act which ensues is a matter of societal concern, but not of moral concern. If a society decides that all living forms are sacred and not to be destroyed, then abortion or accidently stepping on an ant are outlawed (Clearly, this society sanctions many forms of destruction of living beings.) It is not clear to me whether I would rather have a sixteen year old girl having a child and passing the responsibility of its fruitful life onto another (with all the attitudes which that action implies) or having an abortion. Neither action seems desirable to me. I would rather see her working out the issue for herself and anyone else she chooses. The reason I feel this way is because as a world we don`t need higher birth rates. However, it does seem to me that we need more thoughtfullness. More independence of thought and concern for our relationships with others. This sensitivity cannot be legislated or enforced and it cannot rigidly hold particular positions ( that is the role of governments). Bill Powers