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From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen)
Newsgroups: net.abortion
Subject: Re: Fetus = living organism (?????)
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Date: Fri, 19-Jul-85 18:37:39 EDT
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> It's become obvious that Rich Rosen doesn't know even basic high school
> biology, and when faced with it keeps repeating over and over
> 
>         "the fetus is not alive, the fetus is not alive"
> 
> This is akin to repeating
> 
>         "the moon is made of green cheese, the moon is made of green cheese"
>     or  "the earth is flat, the earth is flat"
> 
> Trying to convince him otherwise is like trying to convince one of the early
> religious fanatics that the Earth orbits the Sun, and not vice versa.  There
> is nothing that will make him change his mind; certainly the facts haven't.
> 
>                                         -- Thomas Newton

Hey, Edgar, did you see any facts in *that* article?

No, Clarence, I musta missed 'em.  I'll look again. ... Nope, no facts there!

Looks to me like he's just doin' what he accused Rosen of doing:  asserting
  his opinion as facts without substantiation.  If I remember correctly,
  Rosen said that the fetus wasn't alive because if you took it out of the
  environment it usurps to function, a woman's womb, it ceases to function.
  It's just not a self-sustaining entity.  What has this Newton guy said to
  support his position?

Just that Rosen is wrong.  Looks like that's about it.  He claimed that Rosen
  didn't listen to the facts but he didn't offer any.  I wonder why anyone
  would do that?

What do you think it would take to convince *him*?

I don't know, Edgar, the facts haven't.

*YOU'RE* Edgar, *I'M* Clarence!

Oh right!  Sorry.  It's so confusing being a made-up character in a dialog.
-- 
"Meanwhile, I was still thinking..."
				Rich Rosen  ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr