Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site mnetor.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcs!mnetor!sophie From: sophie@mnetor.UUCP (Sophie Quigley) Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: Re: Re: Re: Whose (not who's!) Life Anyway? Message-ID: <1419@mnetor.UUCP> Date: Sun, 21-Jul-85 11:43:35 EDT Article-I.D.: mnetor.1419 Posted: Sun Jul 21 11:43:35 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 21-Jul-85 14:14:40 EDT References: <386@cmu-cs-spice.ARPA> <5589@cbscc.UUCP> Organization: Computer X (CANADA) Ltd., Toronto, Ontario, Canada Lines: 40 > }> > > It seems to me that since the fetus of 1 minute and the child of one > }> > > month differ only in the amount of time since conception. They > }> > > share the same genetic information, and are thus the same person. > } me: > }> Oh, then why bother going through this silly process known as pregnancy? > }> If they are the same person, then let's pop them out of the oven right > }> after conception. It would save some of us women a lot of trouble. > } Objections from different sources. Ok, let me rephrase the above. Of course the embryo of one minute and the new-born child (or 7-8 month old fetus) share the same genetic information and therefore are the same entity in different stages of development. However, they differ by much more than "the amount of time since conception". Their main difference is in their viability outside their mother's body. It is because of this difference that some women feel a need to have an abortion in the first place. Unlike the 1 minute blob and 3 month old embryo, the late fetus or new-born child can survive out of it's mother's body, which easily shows that some process of giving from the mother to the embryo has happened in between. This giving is of nurishment, and other unquantifiables. Anybody who is ignoring that another person is intimately involved in the development of embryos just to prove a point is acting in as much bad faith as anybody who is pretending that embryos are not alive to prove their own point. Abortion is not a simple issue. Presenting it in simplistic terms is not going to resolve anything. And nothing is going to be resolved anyway because there is simply no resolution to this problem. There have always been and will always be women who will need and have abortions, and there have always been and always will be people who will object to this. The truth is that abortion is not nice (call it criminal, whatever) but unwanted pregnancy is just as bad, and so far, we haven't found any way to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy without abortions. Technological solutions like processes for incubating early embryos will only open other cans of worms, such as state interference in the creation of people. -- Sophie Quigley {allegra|decvax|ihnp4|linus|watmath}!utzoo!mnetor!sophie