Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site lanl.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!lanl!sas From: sas@lanl.ARPA Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: My perspective. Message-ID: <28676@lanl.ARPA> Date: Tue, 23-Jul-85 22:25:52 EDT Article-I.D.: lanl.28676 Posted: Tue Jul 23 22:25:52 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 25-Jul-85 20:08:54 EDT Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Lines: 85 I hope that none of you think that abortion is a positive experience. Most people of the pro-choice leaning that I know agree that abortion is a big decision and that indiscriminate abortion is unhealthy for both the would-be mother and the society she lives in. Among the pro-lifers I know, I see more fanatacism but the view they are fighting for is a little more critical to them. I hope that pro-choicers realize that they are fighting for a relatively minor cause compared to the one of the pro-lifers (from their own perspective of course). Socially accepted murder vs. more government involvement in personal decisions that cause non-trivial but rarely life-threatening inconvenience. I expect the pro-life movement to be a little exciteable given what they feel is at stake. The pro-choice movement is fighting for something not unlike (in magnitude) what the NRA is fighting for. (incidentally, I expect that there are more pro-choice people who are anti-gun than there are pro-life people who are pro-gun.) The pro-gunners want the right to bear arms, usually a convenience but conceivably the difference between life and death. Pro-gunners have really been challenged only on their right to have easily concealable weapons inside certain high-crime areas and to not have to register weapons. The medical "facts" that have been used to support abortion all seem to degenerate to the fact that it is easier to terminate a pregnancy than to sustain it without benefit of a mother. I am appalled at the number of times I have seen the word "parasite" used. When a woman voluntarily has sex with a man, she "invites" the "little parasite" to take up residence if she doesn't use birth control. When a "couple" has sex they take on the responsibility of pregnancy if they don't use effective birth control. It is sad to see so many viewing the issue as a "responsibility" of society to "unburden" them from the biological facts of reproduction. The arguement that effective birth control is not available is weak. It isn't amazing that birth control isn't 100% effective when it is viewed as a right rather than a responsibility. The Catholic church (and probably others) feel that any form of birth control other than that of knowledgeable abstinance is wrong. Many responsible Catholics succeed in limiting family size this way. Many others use mechanical methods of birth control much more effectively while others depend on the pill. These all have their limitations but if beeing "free from birth" is important enough to you, you might use all of them! I don't find such a solution inconceivable when contraception is viewed as a responsibility rather than a right. When abortion is a 100% effective form of birth control that requires no forethought, it is no wonder so many desire it! It is inconvenient that we as a species are so fertile, but not very amazing when you consider our evolutionary heritage. We wouldn't be here if our genes dictated ZPG. So if we want ZPG we should accept it as a responsibility not a right! I might listen to someone who As has been pointed out in this newsgroup by some of the more polite and less fanatic posters here, the abortion issue will not be resolved by legislation either way. The law now supports much of the abortion as desired by pro-choice groups, and pro-life groups are bombing abortion centers. If abortion were again prohibited by law, pro-choice groups would probably take over the violence. I do not advocate strictly banning all abortion, it isn't enforceable and I agree with pro-choicers that it isn't nice to mess in other peoples lives. I do, however, advocate a strong change in the social environment that not only accepts abortion as birth control but seems to encourage it. Were abortion more frowned upon, I believe that many more of the alternatives, (birth control, adoption, and unplanned parenthood), would be more accepted. I wonder how many of us would be here today if our parents had accepted abortion as an acceptable form of birth control. Many of us probably were "mistakes" that were nonetheless accepted and nurtured to what we are today. I certainly would not accept the notion of government funded abortion without mandatory sterilization. What about government funded sterilization? The biggest arguement I have seen for abortion is unwanted children and ZPG. If we beleive that abortion is strictly a social issue of unwanted children and zero population growth then it would be criminal to deny a person sterilization based on ability to pay. While the denial of an abortion may seem a victimization of the woman involved, isn't the widespread acceptance of abortion similar? How many women who don't want an abortion find themselves pressed toward it by friends, family, coworkers, boyfriend or even husband. How many men have demanded that their spouse or girlfriend have an abortion? Steve Smith