Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2(pesnta.1.2) 9/5/84; site scc.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!harvard!talcott!panda!genrad!decvax!decwrl!sun!idi!pesnta!scc!steiny From: steiny@scc.UUCP (Don Steiny) Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: Re: Re: Are Laws what is really needed? Message-ID: <518@scc.UUCP> Date: Thu, 25-Jul-85 11:45:28 EDT Article-I.D.: scc.518 Posted: Thu Jul 25 11:45:28 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 28-Jul-85 05:42:29 EDT References: <509@scc.UUCP> <331@ihopa.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: Don Steiny Software Lines: 46 > > Pro-life advocates (anti-abortionists) frequently try to > > pass legislation that prohibit abortions. > > ... Laws that > > prevent people from doing things they would like to do are > > a type of violence. Basically, it is the old, "you have to > > agree with me or I'll beat you up" argument. > > Well, what do you think society is? Basically it is a group > of people saying "agree with us or we'll beat you up!" So what's your > point? Should all laws be abolished? > How Freudian. I read "Civilization and Its Discontents" too. I would hardly go around saying that because a few people have made the statement that society is a group of people saying "agree with us or we'll beat you up" that that is what it is. > > I want to drive 95mph. Can I? How 'bout if I want your money. > Should I be allowed to just take it? What if I decide that I want to > kill you instead of just writing a followup article? > Is it wrong for the law to prevent me from taking your life? > Give me a break!! How does the law "prevent" you from killing me? I have a freind that was chopped up by one of the local mass murders a few years ago. The law did not stop that. People speed all the time, the law does not "prevent" people from speeding. I was mugged at gunpoint once . . . a lot of good it would have done for me to inform the muggers that what they were doing was illegal. Many societies throughout history did not have "laws" and there are not "laws against murder" (speeding or whatever) in those societies. Laws against murder do not prevent murder, there are more murders in this society where they are illegal that their are in the society of the Kalahari bushmen, who have no written laws. In fact, they have "traditions" and not laws. There is nothing about a law that prevents you from killing me or taking my money. I good semi-automatic weapon might help, but laws are worthless for that. They provide a means for getting even. -- scc!steiny Don Steiny @ Don Steiny Software 109 Torrey Pine Terrace Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060