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From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen)
Newsgroups: net.abortion
Subject: Re: \"Words mean what I pay them to mean . . .\"
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Date: Fri, 26-Jul-85 19:13:44 EDT
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>>Good.  Then if fetuses can be removed from the wombs of women who don't
>>want them, then YOU (and those like you) can wean them into humanhood
>>using this technology.  Oh, I see, YOU don't want them, you want the woman
>>to be "responsible" because of your blame-oriented religious dogma...
>>I'd love to see the day when this technology really does exist (to
>>my knowledge it doesn't on a large scale), so that anti-abortionists could
>>really put their money where their mouths are. [ROSEN]

> I don't think you'll find the pro-lifers *so* reluctant to take
> the responsibility of the "fetus" outside of the womb.  Pro-lifers
> are more and more putting their money, resources and time where
> there mouth is -- to help women who really do want to keep their
> baby. [ALLEN]

The question is would they pay to maintain/sustain a fetus till it is
capable of autonomy and THEN continue to care for it throughout its
infancy/childhood/adolescence/etc.  Multiply "it" by the number of
women wishing to have abortions to calculate the total number "them".

I think you're forgetting something else here, too.  A woman who
> has given up her baby (fetus?) to be raised by someone else -- even
> at such an early time -- is likely to want to know what has happened
> to the child.  I think the situation would be more like adoption
> than abortion since with abortion you know that the story ended.
> I think it is likely that the woman will want some say in what
> happens to the child and that, of course (it should be "of course"!!)
> involves responsibility.  If she's willing to sign some kind of
> adoption papers, then it is a different story.

Anything's possible, but ...  "Likely?"

> At the Pregnancy Aid Center, we often hear an odd dichotomy.  A
> woman who wants an abortion will often say something like "I couldn't
> give up my baby for adoption".  Notice that fetus is a "fetus"
> until she thinks about it being born, then it is "my baby".  I
> think a fetus removed from a woman's womb way early would be called
> a "baby" and the woman would call it "my baby" -- as long as the
> baby's at least 6 weeks in the womb and looks like a baby.

Appearances can be and are deceiving.  How interesting that you admit a
difference between a fetus and a living baby.  What question do women
give the above response to.  Perhaps "Why don't you have the baby and
give it up for adoption rather than having an abortion?"  I always thought
counseling was supposed to help a person decide what's best for her, not
to persuade her to make a decision to the counselor's liking.
-- 
"There!  I've run rings 'round you logically!"
"Oh, intercourse the penguin!"			Rich Rosen    ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr