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From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen)
Newsgroups: net.abortion
Subject: Re: Right to Procreate
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Date: Wed, 31-Jul-85 12:14:26 EDT
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>>>3)  The father's right to procreate (a Constitutional right -- I can
>>>    cite cases) is subordinate to the woman's right to remove the
>>>    fetus from her body.  (MATT ROSENBLATT)

>>The whole idea that a male's right to produce offspring is higher than
>>the female's NOT to it so fascist I cannot find a less flame-oriented
>>way to respond!  (CHARLES FORSYTHE)

> O, let's turn it around.  Suppose the woman wants the baby, and the man
> doesn't.  Is the female's right to produce offspring higher than the male's
> right NOT to?  (In other words, does he have the right to force her to
> abort?)  I don't believe you would say so.  So we are left with the idea
> that once the man has taken part in the act of conception, he has no more
> right to procreate or not that the woman need respect.  And the only way
> _that_ idea is supportable is if we assume the woman has the right to
> remove that fetus, and to hell with the fetus's or the man's rights to
> anything!

I must have missed something.  Is there anything wrong with this line of
reasoning?

> But once you stop assuming the right to remove the fetus, the same rule
> applies to both man and woman:  You've started something, now let it 
> finish itself -- no abortion.

Sorry, the man has "started" something by putting his sperm into a woman's
body.  But the notion that he has the "right" to use that woman's body to
bear his child against her will strikes me as stupid.
-- 
"Meanwhile, I was still thinking..."
				Rich Rosen  ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr