Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site ecsvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!mcnc!ecsvax!rpk From: rpk@ecsvax.UUCP (Richard Kelley) Newsgroups: net.cse,net.unix,net.unix-wizards,net.usenix Subject: Re: Disillusionment with Usenix tutorial Message-ID: <1772@ecsvax.UUCP> Date: Sat, 27-Jul-85 15:36:32 EDT Article-I.D.: ecsvax.1772 Posted: Sat Jul 27 15:36:32 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 29-Jul-85 06:33:27 EDT References: <92@tekadg.UUCP> Reply-To: rpk@ecsvax.UUCP (Richard Kelley) Organization: Data Comm Consultants Lines: 31 Xref: watmath net.cse:417 net.unix:5166 net.unix-wizards:14072 net.usenix:487 Summary: (the following are only my opinions. ) If you can say anything about the tutorials put on by Usenix it is that they vary wildly in sophistication. At the Dallas meeting for example I signed up for a course in System Admin that was taught by an ill-prepared instructor that rambled on and on and never said anything of use to real-life system admin. I found out that he had never done any real system administration and that he wasn't going to address issues such as security backups, staffing, and user admin except in general terms ("security is important, you should consider it...backups are important, try to do them,... etc, etc). I left this foolishness and changed my ticket to an Advanced Shell Programming course taught by Mark Sobel that was very interesting and professionally done. Moral: Usenix doesn't appear to screen the instructors so you should. I haven't attended any since that I haven't talked with the instructor beforehand. The amount of money wasted is trival -- the time is anything but. #include /* does your system have this file ? */ -Dick --- ecsvax!rpk / USENET: {decvax, ihnp4, the_known_world}!mcnc! --- --- root \ / --- rti-sel!flan --- \ --- rpk ARPA: decvax!mcnc!ecsvax!rpk@BERKELEY