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From: jordan@ucbvax.ARPA (Jordan Hayes)
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Subject: Re: Mail routing -- problems showing up
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Date: Fri, 26-Jul-85 13:31:22 EDT
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Posted: Fri Jul 26 13:31:22 1985
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In article <3018@nsc.UUCP> chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Chuq Von Rospach) writes:

<...about a lot of problems with combinations of syntaxes...>

>    o uumail will be taught the .ARPA domain, and will strip any leading
>    bang addresses from it and then mail it to the ARPA gateway (in my case
>    decwrl).

Well, that's a lose, because ".ARPA" will go away soon. And for good reason.
Time has come for UUCP to either jump on the bandwagon or get lost in the
dust. Domaining UUCP is a MUST, rather than a hope.

>    ...but since uucp -> ARPA -> uucp gateways are
>    frowned upon (and nigh impossible, I've tried it many a time) in
>    reality I don't think it is a problem. Is it?

Ah, but it happens all the time. I don't think DARPA would like to hear
it, but it indeed does. The problem is that if you can get mail to an
ARPA host, most of the mailers out there make no distinction between
locally generated mail and that which is gatewayed in from somewhere
else, so it looks like you are sending from the arpa host, thus you can
send to anywhere. I know of no filtering of stuff done this way. Alas,
you have to be careful of the syntax you use to avoid the problems
Chuq mentions (wrong assumptions, etc...)...

I have some ideas of an easy way to domain-out UUCP, but it's gonna
take about a dozen major UUCP sites (strategically placed...) to
cooperate (namely the authoratative machine for each of a bunch
of second level domains to be defined -- see Mark Horton's documents
on "UUCP Subdomain Requirements" and "What is a domain" for details)...

There seems to be no way to have 1 top-level machine, but if a bunch
of machines cooperated in such a manner as to break the net up into
smaller, more manageable pieces, things could run smoothly and life would
be good.

THINK NAMESERVER.
THINK DOMAIN.

If you don't understand these terms, drop me a note and I'll send you
the documents to read.

DO YOUR HOMEWORK... SAVE UUCP FROM ALMOST CERTAIN DEATH...

Chuq -- you seem generally interested in the future of this net. Me too.
	Let's get something rolling. Anybody else?

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