Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site mnetor.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcs!mnetor!sophie From: sophie@mnetor.UUCP (Sophie Quigley) Newsgroups: net.med,net.women Subject: Re: Re: Breast Cancer Treatment. Message-ID: <1400@mnetor.UUCP> Date: Fri, 19-Jul-85 10:51:52 EDT Article-I.D.: mnetor.1400 Posted: Fri Jul 19 10:51:52 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 19-Jul-85 12:14:35 EDT References: <1765@aecom.UUCP> <1271@mnetor.UUCP> <560@ttidcc.UUCP> Distribution: na Organization: Computer X (CANADA) Ltd., Toronto, Ontario, Canada Lines: 51 Xref: utcs net.med:1694 net.women:6521 About assigning patients treatments for breast cancer randomly: > > This is standard experimental procedure. Assuming it was done by a > reputable institution, the women involved would have known they were part > of an experiment and probably signed a consent form stating they understood > the nature of the situation. > > Note that _all_ of the treatments involved have been used in the past to > treat breast cancer. The purpose of the experiment was to determine if any > one of them was more effective than the others. Without the results of > this experiment it's likely that total mastectomy would have continued as > the treatment of choice for breast cancer. Given the results, the women in > the total mastectomy group of the experiment may be among the last to > undergo such treatment. > > I see nothing to worry Hippocrates here, or to justify a malpractice suit. > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ > The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe) Well, maybe I should have made my point clearer. It is my impression that most people have opinions on things, so I would assume that most doctors have an opinion on what they *think* is the best treatment for a particular disease for a particular person. Therefore if they are not willing to provide what they think is the best treatment, then in my opinion, they are not doing the best they can. So, doctors who encourage their patients to participate in such a study know that since treatments are assigned randomly, there is a chance that their patients will not be given as good a care as they might have given them had they done what they thought was best. This is what I objected to. Of course doctors who truly have no opinion on the matter are doing their best by encouraging their patients to participate in such a study, but how many doctors with any kind of experience truly have no opinion? Maybe I should emphasise that I am talking about good intentions here rather than success. It is quite possible that doctors might prefer a particular treatment which is not necessarily the best, so that their patients would be better off being assigned treatments randomly, but I think that in this case, those doctors still have failed their patients by not insisting on giving them what they think is the best treatment. Before I get flamed into hell for this, let me add that I do not believe that it is up to doctors to decide what their patients should do, but it is their responsibility to inform their patients about all the available treatments and their advantages and disadvantages, and then let their patients decide for themselves. *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** -- Sophie Quigley {allegra|decvax|ihnp4|linus|watmath}!utzoo!mnetor!sophie