Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site gumby.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!prls!amdimage!amdcad!amd!vecpyr!lll-crg!seismo!uwvax!gumby!foust From: foust@gumby.UUCP Newsgroups: net.micro Subject: New ideas on software piracy... Flames welcome. Message-ID: <419@gumby.UUCP> Date: Sun, 28-Jul-85 21:49:07 EDT Article-I.D.: gumby.419 Posted: Sun Jul 28 21:49:07 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 1-Aug-85 07:08:08 EDT Distribution: net Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 75 I have this idea floating around in my head that I can't get rid of. Why can't information be free? I see the present system of software marketing as fading into the background, and that sooner or later, most computer software will be public domain or freeware. I don't know if sales of software will drop significantly, but I think that future sales will be restricted to lemmings buying the latest version of Jazz, or to custom programming houses, while more informed users will use public domain stuff for most tasks. Public domain software is getting better and better. Often, it comes with print-it-yourself documentation and source code. The two PC programs I use most were free, (Kermit and CED) and they came with long, well-written manuals. Most of the utilities I use are public domain, too. Remember how all the old CP/M utilities migrated to PC-DOS? Why won't this keep happening? I know, Kermit was fostered in a university environment. But I feel an evolution in software. The compiler I use was purchased, but I have no doubt that someday, there will be freeware C compilers that will rival the ones for sale now. Since so many future software developers are cutting their teeth on systems with free access to Unix source, it seems hard to believe that they won't be using ideas and algorithms they saw while in school. The next generation of public domain software will reflect this. The net has already seen free micro versions of 'make', and the Gnu Manifesto. Whatever weird amalgam of altruism and socialism Richard Stallman (?) smokes, I bet he'll succeed in public domain Unix. Even the mighty Deathstar can't battle this kind of migration of ideas. It seems kind of ironic, that the buddy-buddy relationship between corporations and universities might backfire in this way. Why shouldn't information be free? Today, many forms are nearly free, like television. Forget the ads. Books are cheap. Plagiarism aside, you don't have to sign a non-disclosure agreement that says you won't use the ideas in the book, like you do with source code. I have strong capitalist beliefs, I know about patent law, I know about free-market theory and such, I used to be editorial editor of this campus's conservative newspaper. I agree that people could sell the products of their labor. By now, most net-people have heard these arguments. I do have doubts about the validity of copyrights and patents, and maybe that's where my disagreements lie. It seems to me that ideas can't be protected by government, and that individuals can only protect ideas by improving upon them. I can imagine an alternate theory of software piracy: I have a capital investment in hardware, and I buy the raw material of disks, so why can't I use my investment for my own use? Let's pretend that I wasn't playing Singapore, and selling what I copy, but just backing things up. If I were to buy the arguments flying about the net, a software producer should really have nothing to fear from pirates if his product is a good one. Is this only true if we have nice, strong agreements like the law recently proposed in California? Furthermore, I'd like to hear from more people who will admit to owning pirate software. I was chastised by someone from the net in a private letter for admitting the same, in a recent discussion of dongles. I'd really like to look at this guy's Flip-n-file. I believe all those stats about pirated software, and have met only one person who refuses to accept pirated software. Not that the masses have a corner on truth and morality, of course. Oh, I know, this stuff belongs in net.philosophy. -- John Foust "I used to be disgusted, but now I'm just amused"