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From: wfi@rti-sel.UUCP (William Ingogly)
Newsgroups: net.misc
Subject: Re: home defense  (& killing deer)
Message-ID: <299@rti-sel.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 17-Jul-85 09:51:29 EDT
Article-I.D.: rti-sel.299
Posted: Wed Jul 17 09:51:29 1985
Date-Received: Fri, 19-Jul-85 01:11:40 EDT
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Reply-To: wfi@rti-sel.UUCP (William Ingogly)
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, NC
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Summary: 

In article <555@rtech.UUCP> jeff@rtech.UUCP (Jeff Lichtman) writes:

>> In article <2410@sun.uucp> sunny@sun.uucp (Ms. Sunny Kirsten) writes:

   [quote from Ms. Kirsten's article]

>> Pseudo-mystical hogwash...
>> ...

   [a number of quotes from my response]

>I would like to know what Sunny Kirsten did to you to deserve this
>of attack.  Her ideas may seem a little far out to you (as some of them
>do to me), but she expressed them calmly and non-aggressively.  I see
>no reason to bite her head off just because her ideas seem unlikely to
>you.

My admittedly emotional reaction to Ms. Kirsten's posting was a
response to her judgmental and self-righteous attitudes towards those
of us who don't share her 'enlightened' ideas, not to the preposterous
nature of those ideas. At least that's how I interpreted comments like
the following:

> the latter is obviously inexcusable under any circumstances.
> The former is your only practical question.  ...

> Scenario 1 is morally justifiable, period
> Scenario 2 is justifiable only on an economic scale, but is morally worse than
> 	 3, for the suffering is prolonged, rather than a one time death.
> Scenario 3 is justifiable only if you believe the individual unimportant...
> 	not quite what the founding fathers of our country had in mind.

> No "one" has any claim to the life of any "other", period.

> Q: How can you sleep at night with the knowledge that you've become a murderer
> in order to not commit the crime of suicide?
> 
> A:  There is only one life force, which manifests in many forms.

The use of phrases like 'obviously inexcusable', 'only practical',
'morally worse', etc. sez to me that Sunny has her mind made up about
these issues, and operates from a moral and philosophical stance
that's just as unflexible and absolute as (say) Jerry Falwell's or a
Shiite fundamentalist's. I don't care for fanaticism and intolerance,
no matter what the cause or political stance of a person. If Sunny is
NOT fanatical or judgemental about these issues, I apologize. Words
are all we have to respond to on the net, and my reaction was to
my interpretation of Sunny's meaning. If you have a different
interpretation, please let us know.

                        -- Cheers, Bill Ingogly