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From: cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
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Subject: Re: The Scientific Case for Creation: (Part 45)
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Date: Fri, 19-Jul-85 20:06:49 EDT
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>      THE SCIENTIFIC CASE FOR CREATION: 116 CATEGORIES OF EVIDENCE
> 
> I.  (Life Sciences): THE THEORY OF ORGANIC EVOLUTION IS INVALID.  (See
>     1-36.)
> 
> II. (Astronomical Sciences): THE UNIVERSE, THE SOLAR SYSTEM, AND  LIFE
>     WERE RECENTLY CREATED.
> 
>     A.  NATURALISTIC EXPLANATIONS  FOR  THE  EVOLUTION  OF  THE  SOLAR
>         SYSTEM   AND   UNIVERSE   ARE   UNSCIENTIFIC   AND  HOPELESSLY
>         INADEQUATE. (See 37-56.)
> 
>     B.  TECHNIQUES THAT ARGUE FOR AN OLD EARTH ARE EITHER ILLOGICAL OR
>         ARE BASED ON UNREASONABLE ASSUMPTIONS. (See 57-67.)
> 
>     C.  MOST DATING TECHNIQUES  INDICATE  THAT  THE  EARTH  AND  SOLAR
>         SYSTEM ARE YOUNG.
> 
>        86.  Stars  that  are  moving  in   the   same   direction   at
>             significantly   different   speeds  frequently  travel  in
>             closely-spaced clusters [a]. This would not be the case if
>             they had been traveling for billions of years because even
>             the slightest difference in their velocities  would  cause
>             their  dispersal after such great periods of time. Similar
>             observations have been made of galaxy and of galaxy-quasar
>             combinations   that   apparently   have  vastly  different
>             velocities but which appear to be connected [b-d].
> 
>             a)  Harold S. Slusher, AGE OF THE  COSMOS,  ICR  Technical
>                 Monograph  No.9  (El Cajon, CA: Institute for Creation
>                 Research), p. 16.
>             b)  F. Hoyle and  J.  V.  Narlikar,  ''On  the  Nature  of
>                 Mass,'' NATURE, Vol. 233, 3 September 1971, pp. 41-44.
>             c)  William Kaufmann III, ''The Most Feared Astronomer  on
>                 Earth,'' SCIENCE DIGEST, July 1981, p. 81.
>             d)  Geoffrey  Burbidge,  ''Redshift  Rift,''  SCIENCE  81,
>                 December 1981, p. 18.
> 
By the time we see the light of distant stars, the stars themselves have
moved to some other location.  Quasars, especially, are so many billions
of light years away that it is a certainty that the quasars themselves
are somewhere much different now.  They may even have ceased to emit
light.

>        87.  Galaxies are often found in tight  clusters  that  contain
>             hundreds   of   galaxies.   The   apparent  velocities  of
>             individual galaxies within these clusters are so  high  in
>             comparison  to  the  calculated mass of the entire cluster
>             that these clusters should be flying apart. But since  the
>             galaxies within clusters are so close together, they could
>             not have been flying apart for very long. A 10-20  billion
>             year  old universe is completely inconsistent with what we
>             see [a-d].
> 
Again, we are seeing something that happened a long time ago, and these
clusters may have existed only for a short time.  Their association
may be only temporary.

>             a)  Gerardus D.  Bouw,  ''Galaxy  Clusters  and  the  Mass
>                 Anomaly,''   CREATION   RESEARCH   SOCIETY  QUARTERLY,
>                 September 1977, pp. 108-112.
>             b)  Steidl, THE EARTH, THE STARS, AND THE BIBLE, pp.  179-
>                 185.
>             c)  Joseph Silk,  THE  BIG  BANG  (San  Francisco:  W.  H.
>                 Freeman and Co., 1980), pp. 188-191.
>             d)  M. Mitchell Waldrop, ''The  Large-Scale  Structure  of
>                 the  Universe,'' SCIENCE, 4 March 1983, p.  1050.  All
>                 dating techniques, to include the FEW that suggest  an
>                 old  earth  and  an  old universe, lean heavily on the
>                 assumption that a process observed  today  has  always
>                 proceeded   at  a  known  rate.  In  many  cases  this
>                 assumption may be grossly inaccurate. But in the  case
>                 of the many dating ''clocks'' that show a young earth,
>                 a much better understanding  usually  exists  for  the
>                 mechanism  that  drives  the  clock.  Furthermore, the
>                 extrapolation process is over a much shorter time  and
>                 is  therefore  more  likely  to  be  correct.  For the
>                 person who has always been  told  that  the  earth  is
>                 billions  of  years  old,  this  contrary  evidence is
>                 understandably disturbing. But  can  you  imagine  how
>                 disturbing this evidence is to the evolutionist?
> 
>                                  TO BE CONTINUED
> 
> 
>       III.  (Earth Sciences):
> 				Ron Kukuk
> 				Walt Brown