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Subject: Re: The Scientific Case for Creation: (Part 46)
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Date: Fri, 19-Jul-85 20:10:47 EDT
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>      THE SCIENTIFIC CASE FOR CREATION: 116 CATEGORIES OF EVIDENCE
> 
> I.  (Life Sciences): THE THEORY OF ORGANIC EVOLUTION IS INVALID.  (See
>     1-36.)
> 
> II. (Astronomical Sciences): THE UNIVERSE, THE SOLAR SYSTEM, AND  LIFE
>     WERE RECENTLY CREATED. (See 37-87.)
> 
> III. (Earth Sciences): THE EARTH HAS EXPERIENCED A WORLDWIDE FLOOD.
> 
>     A.  ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE INDICATES  THAT  NOAH'S  ARK  PROBABLY
>         EXISTS [a-g].
> 
>        88.  Ancient historians  such  as  Josephus,  the  Jewish-Roman
>             historian, and Berosus of the Chaldeans mentioned in their
>             writings that the Ark existed.   Marco  Polo  also  stated
>             that  the  Ark was reported to be on a mountain in greater
>             Armenia.
> 
>        89.  In  about  1856,  a  team  of  three   skeptical   British
>             scientists  and  two  Armenian guides climbed to Ararat to
>             demonstrate that the  Ark  did  not  exist.  The  Ark  was
>             supposedly found, but the British scientists threatened to
>             kill the guides if they reported it. Years  later  one  of
>             the  Armenians  (then living in the United States) and one
>             of the scientists independently  reported  that  they  had
>             actually located the Ark.
> 
>        90.  Sir James Bryce, a noted British scholar and  traveler  of
>             the  mid-nineteenth  century,  conducted extensive library
>             research concerning the Ark. He became convinced that  the
>             Ark  was  preserved  on Mount Ararat. Finally, in 1876, he
>             ascended to the summit of the mountain and found,  at  the
>             13,000  foot  level  (2,000 feet above the timber line), a
>             large piece of hand-tooled wood that he believed was  from
>             the Ark.
> 
>        91.  In 1883, a series of newspaper articles  reported  that  a
>             team   of   Turkish   commissioners,  while  investigating
>             avalanche conditions on Mount  Ararat,  unexpectedly  came
>             upon  the Ark projecting out of the melting ice at the end
>             of an  unusually  warm  summer.  They  claimed  that  they
>             entered and examined a portion of the Ark.
> 
>        92.  In the unusually warm summer of  1902,  an  Armenian  boy,
>             Georgie  Hagopian,  and  his uncle climbed to the Ark that
>             was reportedly sticking  out  of  an  ice  pack.  The  boy
>             climbed  over the Ark and was able to describe it in great
>             detail. In 1904 Hagopian visited  the  Ark  for  a  second
>             time.  Shortly  before his death in 1972, a tape recording
>             was made of his detailed testimony.   This  recording  has
>             undergone  voice  analyzer  tests  which indicate that his
>             account is quite credible [h].
> 
>        93.  A Russian pilot, flying over Ararat in World War I (1915),
>             thought  he saw the Ark. The news of his discovery reached
>             the Czar, who dispatched a large expedition to  the  site.
>             The soldiers were able to locate and explore the boat, but
>             before they could report back to the capitol, the  Russian
>             Revolution of 1917 had occurred. Their report disappeared,
>             and the soldiers were scattered. Some of  them  eventually
>             reached  the  United States. Various relatives and friends
>             have confirmed this story.
> 
>        94.  At about the time of the Russian  sighting,  five  Turkish
>             soldiers, crossing Mount Ararat, claim to have encountered
>             the Ark; however, they did not report their story until 30
>             years  later  when  they  offered  to  guide  an  American
>             expedition  to  the   site.   The   expedition   did   not
>             materialize,  and  their  services  were  not sought until
>             after their deaths.
> 
>        95.  During World War II, a group of Russian flyers on at least
>             two  occasions took aerial photographs that showed the Ark
>             protruding out of the ice.  In Berlin after the war, these
>             photos  were  shown to an American doctor who subsequently
>             disclosed this story.
> 
>        96.  An oil geologist, George Greene, in 1953 took a number  of
>             photographs  of the Ark from a helicopter. After returning
>             to the United States, Greene  showed  his  photographs  to
>             many  people but was unable to raise financial backing for
>             a ground-based  expedition.  Finally,  he  went  to  South
>             America  where  he  was killed. Although the pictures have
>             not been located, over 30 people have given sworn  written
>             testimony  that  they  saw  these photographs that clearly
>             showed the Ark protruding from the melting  ice  field  at
>             the  edge of a precipice.  There are many other stories in
>             which people claim to have seen  the  Ark.   Some  are  of
>             questionable  validity,  and  others are inconsistent with
>             many of the known details.  Only  the  most  credible  are
>             summarized above.
> 
>             a)  Violet M. Cummings, NOAH'S ARK: FACT  OR  FABLE?  (San
>                 Diego: Creation-Science Research Center, 1972).
>             b)  Tim LaHaye and John D. Morris, THE ARK ON ARARAT  (San
>                 Diego:  Creation Life Publishers, 1976).
>             c)  John Warwick Montgomery,  THE  QUEST  FOR  NOAH'S  ARK
>                 (Minneapolis,  Minnesota:  Bethany  Fellowship,  Inc.,
>                 1972).
>             d)  John D. Morris, ADVENTURE ON  ARARAT  (El  Cajon,  CA:
>                 Institute for Creation Research, 1973).
>             e)  Rene Noorbergen, THE  ARK  FILE  (California:  Pacific
>                 Press Publishing, 1974).
>             f)  Violet M. Cummings, HAS  ANYBODY  REALLY  SEEN  NOAH'S
>                 ARK? (San Diego: Creation Life Publishers, 1982).
>             g)  Dave Balsiger and Charles E. Sellier, Jr.,  IN  SEARCH
>                 OF NOAH'S ARK (Los Angeles: Sun Classic Books, 1976).
>             h)  Rene   Noorbergen,   SECRETS   OF   THE   LOST   RACES
>                 (Indianapolis:  The  Bobbs-Merrill  Company, 1977), p.
>                 74-92.
> 
> 
>                                TO BE CONTINUED
> 
> 
>                                 Ron Kukuk
>                                 Walt Brown

Noah's Ark is not evidence for creationism, nor is it evidence against
evolution.  It would be an excellent argument for the accuracy (within
the limits of the author's knowledge) of the Bible.  A little analysis
of the words used in the account of the Flood suggests that many possible
interpretations of the extent of the Flood are possible.  (Perhaps it's
wishful thinking, but it doesn't seem implausible that the Flood is
a memory of the great flooding that occurred at the end of the Ice Age.
Perhaps it's just a memory of the spectacular flooding in the Fertile
Crescent which has left its evidence in Ur.)