Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 UW 5/3/83; site uw-june Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!harvard!talcott!panda!genrad!decvax!tektronix!uw-beaver!uw-june!gordon From: gordon@uw-june (Gordon Davisson) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: The Scientific Case for Creation: (Part 31) Message-ID: <85@uw-june> Date: Mon, 22-Jul-85 04:22:04 EDT Article-I.D.: uw-june.85 Posted: Mon Jul 22 04:22:04 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 25-Jul-85 04:48:32 EDT References: <385@iham1.UUCP> Organization: U of Washington Computer Science Lines: 37 >[Ron Kukuk and THE SCIENTIFIC CASE FOR CREATION: 116 CATEGORIES OF EVIDENCE] > > 58. A major assumption that underlies all radioactive dating > techniques is that the rates of decay, which have been > essentially constant over the past 70 years, have also > been constant over the past 4,600,000,000 years. This > bold, critical, and untestable assumption is made even > though no one knows what causes radioactive decay. Nope. The behavior of nuclei isn't all that hard to understand, given quantum mechanics. (Of course, some creationists seem not to believe in quantum mechanics...) Furthermore, our understanding of nuclei tells us that if, for some unknown reason, the laws (or 'constants') of physics are changing in such a way as to change radioactive decay rates and leave everything else alone, the decay rates of different isotopes would change at different rates. In other words, the fact that several (at least 4 that I know of) different decay chains all give the same age for the earth (to within the margin of error, of course) indicates that the decay rates have not changed, at least not significantly. And speaking of bold, critical, and untestable assumptions, you seem to be claiming that decay rates used to be high enough that what we now think of as 4.5 billion years worth of decay could have occurred in only 10,000 years. This means, of course, that the average decay rate over those 10,000 years was 450,000 times what it is now. Using a linear extrapolation, this means that a year ago, they were 91 times what they are now. (Hmm, must not be linear :-) Even without nuclear theory, this seems a mite hard on the credulity. Is this what you creationists believe, or do you think God created the earth with rocks with funny isotope compositions? -- Human: Gordon Davisson ARPA: gordon@uw-june.ARPA UUCP: {ihnp4,decvax,tektronix}!uw-beaver!uw-june!gordon