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From: padraig@utastro.UUCP (Padraig Houlahan)
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Subject: Re: Sorry Dan,   but I don't have my barfbags handy
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Date: Sun, 28-Jul-85 10:40:51 EDT
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>  Wrong! My conclusion was this: Since there is nothing in the present
>  structure of natural law that can account for its own origin, the Universe
>  could not have created itself. Therefore, it must have had a supernatural
>  origin.

Here we go again. The old proof by ignorance approach.

O.K. Since there is nothing in the present structure of supernatural law
that can account for its own origin, the supernatural could not have created
itself. Therefore, it must have had a natural origin.
Man, perhaps?

> >Though we post 1,000 articles, explaining that the Earth is an open system,
> >we still keep hearing the same tired arguments about
> >"life on Earth violates the second law".
> >Hey Dan, the readers of this news group are tired as well.
> >It is our sun (and some radioactive decay)
> >that pays the entropy price.  There is nothing unusual here.
> >Do you really think God specifically melts and freezes each ice crystal?
> >After all, it *does* violate local entropy.
> 
>   The earth is an isolated system in regard to life. Sunlight acting on
>   nonliving matter without a life product (like chlorophyll) will not explain
>   synthesis from non-living matter by sunlight.
> 
> 					     Dan

The earth is NOT a closed system, especially in regard to life. The food
chain relies upon an energy input, the sun being the largest contributor.
Therefore life on earth relies on something outside of the earth. The
earth cannot be considered a closed system under these circumstances. 

Padraig Houlahan.