Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site psivax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!qantel!hplabs!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen From: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: logic Message-ID: <578@psivax.UUCP> Date: Mon, 29-Jul-85 15:40:15 EDT Article-I.D.: psivax.578 Posted: Mon Jul 29 15:40:15 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 3-Aug-85 02:22:38 EDT References: <246@ihnet.UUCP> <365@scgvaxd.UUCP> Reply-To: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) Distribution: net Organization: Pacesetter Systems Inc., Sylmar, CA Lines: 24 Summary: In article <365@scgvaxd.UUCP> dan@scgvaxd.UUCP writes: > > Wrong! My conclusion was this: Since there is nothing in the present > structure of natural law that can account for its own origin, the Universe > could not have created itself. Therefore, it must have had a supernatural > origin. > Actually, there *is* a logical fallacy here, you are assuming that just because we do not *know* the mechanism it does nor exist! So we may not have the expalnation *yet*, but this is scarcely proof that it does not exist! To conclude the necessity of supernatural origin you must not only demonstrate ignorance of the mechanism, but also the impossibility of *any* naturalistic mechanism. As a matter of fact certain of the unified field theories contain the basis of a mechanism by which vacuum could "decay" into matter, there have even been two articles in Scientific American on this subject. So you cannot even truthfully say that there is no known mechanism for the origin of the Universe! -- Sarima (Stanley Friesen) {trwrb|allegra|cbosgd|hplabs|ihnp4|aero!uscvax!akgua}!sdcrdcf!psivax!friesen or {ttdica|quad1|bellcore|scgvaxd}!psivax!friesen