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From: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen)
Newsgroups: net.origins
Subject: Re: Information Generation, Part 2
Message-ID: <581@psivax.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 29-Jul-85 19:30:39 EDT
Article-I.D.: psivax.581
Posted: Mon Jul 29 19:30:39 1985
Date-Received: Sat, 3-Aug-85 02:25:41 EDT
References: <32500043@uiucdcsb>
Reply-To: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen)
Organization: Pacesetter Systems Inc., Sylmar, CA
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Summary: 

In article <32500043@uiucdcsb> miller@uiucdcsb.Uiuc.ARPA writes:
>
>
>> The SETI project is looking for regular
>> electromagnetic phenomena which might be intelligently produced signals.
>> ...  The key is that they will search for manipulation of 
>> the electromagnetic spectrum, not just regular radio waves.
>
>Now we see double standards.  Define "intelligently produced signals" or "mani-
>pulation" objectively.  Why is it we can see evidence of intelligent design one
>place but not another?  Why did I mention double standards?  Replace the words
>"design", "designed", and "designer" below with "manipulate", "manipulated" and
>"manipulator".  Since the following quote was posted to the net by an evolu-
>tionist, it is only fair to remind them of it now.
>
	Please note the word *might* in the above quote! This means
that the SETI people are looking for suggestive evidence not proof!
Thus no problem, they are not claiming ability to recognize design,
only that some classes of results are *as far as is now known* more
likely to be produced by intelligence than by natural events! In this
context "intelligently produced" means resembling those that *we*
produce and "manipulated" means showing features we have never seen
except in radio waves *we* have manipulated. Notice that the
recognition of *possible* design is based on direct awareness of a
designer, ourselves, and our knowledge of how that designer works.
You see, I do have a definition of design, but it requires real
observation of the designer to be applied.
-- 

				Sarima (Stanley Friesen)

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