Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 exptools; site iham1.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!iham1!gjphw From: gjphw@iham1.UUCP (wyant) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Comments on science, society, and Darwinism Message-ID: <423@iham1.UUCP> Date: Mon, 5-Aug-85 18:43:10 EDT Article-I.D.: iham1.423 Posted: Mon Aug 5 18:43:10 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 6-Aug-85 12:37:34 EDT Distribution: net Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 80 *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR FAVORITE CULTURAL BIAS *** I have a few reflections on the course of discussions in this newsgroup. These reflections are based on some recent incidental readings. Just by accident, most of the articles have been concerning cultures, the influence of society on science, and the lack of understanding between cultures. A recent submission by T. Holden concerning a creation-evolution debate in Virginia has prompted me to generate this article (for what it is worth). In a recent NOVA episode on Stephen J. Gould (the paleontologist), Gould tried to point out how many concepts in (especially) biology are merely restatements of cultural biases and expectations. From western Christian perspective, history is seen to be linear, gradual, and progressive. This is in contrast, for example, to eastern thought which considers history to be cyclical. Anyway, the popular formulation of evolution (now identified as Darwinism) sees evolution as progressive and gradual. When *homo sapiens* appeared, the predecessor primate obligingly became extinct. This is a statement concerning progressiveness, not science. When a so-called *living fossil* is discovered, it is the conflict with the cultural expectations for progress that leads to charges that evolution is wrong. Science has not been involved. Another article, from SCIENCE 85, was based on interviews with an anthropologist who studies modern societies. He said that cultural differences between societies usually lead to gross misunderstandings, so that two people can use the same language but fail to communicate. While most people attempt to deal logically with situations, a culture introduces many unstated postulates and expectations that influence perceptions and actions. He had several critical things to say about the U.S. State Department's insensitivity to cultural differences. The debate in this newsgroup, as well as the conflict in courtrooms and school board meetings around the country, appears to be an example of the conflict of cultures and not a debate concerning science. It is a clash between (primarily) fundamentalist Christian society and the secular scientific society over important human values. As I might learn to speak French but never identify with the people of France, the creationists have acquired the language of science without adopting its values (cultural biases and expectations). Scientists have analyzed the creationist's position, and appear to be content that to analyze is to understand (a typical scientist's bias). The conflict and misunderstanding between these two cultures continues (at least in this newsgroup). (For example, it is ironic that science is being faulted for overlooking catastrophism in favor of gradualism, which is ultimately a view that has been adopted from society and is not native or required within science.) Personally, I have seen fit to contribute only in my area of expertise (physics, the second law of thermodynamics) because I thought that this would be far enough removed from the value judgments being debated over human evolution. This has not turned out to be so. Mr. Holden said that he considers most of W. Brown's 116 points (as posted by R. Kukuk) to be reasonable. That is his cultural bias. As a physicist, I consider many of the points concerning the physical aspect of nature (physics, astronomy, chemistry) to be wrong or misleading. It is unlikely that a Baptist minister, no matter how competent, could utterly destroy evolution for me (though I have no vested interest in Darwinism). Such is my cultural bias. To the public, the issues of elections and voting are very important democratic principles. But, what are the issues suitable for a public referendum? While science is not monolithic or a dictatorship, it does behave as an oligarchy. In politics, the U.S. was established as a republic so that a few people might inform themselves of the issues and make policy decisions which are binding on all. Science has become a similar arrangement, with its own culture and values. Now it appears as if parts of the general public want a recall of the scientific society because of its failure to support the fundamentalist Christian agenda. At the creation (!) of this newsgroup, I commented that the creationists' focus on the popular misconceptions of science indicated to me that the debate in which we were engaged was not about science but about values. Now, I would clarify this charge by claiming that the creationism-evolution debate is not about science but a conflict of cultural values. Until this issue is recognized and addressed, the arguments in this newsgroup will continue to make no progress. Patrick Wyant AT&T Bell Laboratories (Naperville, IL) *!iham1!gjphw