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From: friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen)
Newsgroups: net.philosophy
Subject: Re: Definitions of free, esp. mine
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Date: Thu, 1-Aug-85 16:55:07 EDT
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Posted: Thu Aug  1 16:55:07 1985
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In article <1351@pyuxd.UUCP> rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) writes:
> 
>>>HAVE BEEN SELECTED?  Mighty presumptuous there.  I'm not sure what is
>>>meant here. [ROSEN]
>
>> Natural selection, as in evolution.  Not presumption, fact. [TOREK]
>
>Not with that wording it ain't.  "Have been selected" implies a selector.
>
	As a matter of fact Torek's usage *is* correct, at least it
is an accepted usage among biological scientists. It is used to mean
that the current condition is the result of prior natural selection.
The reason the *passive* is used is because there is *no* non-redundent
agent that *can* be mentioned. What verb form would you use? Certainly
the longer phrase I used above is mighty clumsy in normal discourse.
-- 

				Sarima (Stanley Friesen)

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