Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site uw-beaver Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!ucbvax!decvax!tektronix!uw-beaver!fowler From: fowler@uw-beaver (Rob Fowler) Newsgroups: net.physics Subject: Re: Low frequency RF Message-ID: <1427@uw-beaver> Date: Wed, 24-Jul-85 15:05:26 EDT Article-I.D.: uw-beave.1427 Posted: Wed Jul 24 15:05:26 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 27-Jul-85 04:13:45 EDT References: <3202@decwrl.UUCP> <226@fear.UUCP> Reply-To: fowler@uw-beaver.UUCP (Rob fowler) Organization: U of Washington Computer Science Lines: 29 How far do you have to go to get away from 60Hz hum? I used to do computerized cartography applied to doing near shore analytic tidal predictions. As such I had contact with people who actually go out measuring currents on the continental shelf in up to 300- 400 feet of water south of Long Island, N.Y. (there are others). They had to redesign their electro magnetic current sensors because of 60 Hz interference on the ocean floor. I won't get into the details of how they work, but they rely on using currents through moving salt water to generate detectable magnetic fields. It's necessary to use low freq. AC to do this in order to cancel out the earth's magnetic field, to cancel out chemical effects at the electrodes, and otherwise make the field detectable . If you use some random frequency and phase then your measurements contain an interference component generated by your signal beating against the background hum. The solution they used was to phase lock the oscillator that generates the AC with the background hum. Presto, all the problems go away. This apparently works anywhere on the continental shelf off the East Coast. Modulating the entire US power grid for communication purposes would be another story though. I have heard rumors that the Russians do have the potential to use part of their power grid as antennae for emergency submarine communication. An interesting experience I had related to background hum occured about 10 years ago. I went to a screening of a documentary that was done on a European tour of Julian Beck's Living Theater. At one point the performers started chanting and "OM"ing. It was really awful, unaesthetic, bad. They seemed to be out of tune with the universe. The reason? They were doing a European OM in resonance with the 50Hz grid and it sounded flat and unharmonious to an audience sitting in 60Hz Berkeley. -- Rob Fowler (uw-beaver!fowler or fowler@washington.arpa)