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From: fred@mnetor.UUCP (Fred Williams)
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Subject: Re: Re: America-bashing
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Date: Thu, 1-Aug-85 09:38:06 EDT
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In article <1062@teddy.UUCP> lkk@teddy.UUCP (Larry K. Kolodney) writes:
>Be serious Charles.  Nothing in the history of the United States
>in this century compares with the outright genocide that occured in the
>soviet union during the stalin era.
>
    Perhaps nothing equals it.  There may be a few things that compare.
Selecting this century could bias the conclusions in favour of the US.
The treatement of the Japanese during world war II was not very nice.
NOTE: My own country of Canada is equally guilty on this count!

>Surely we've had some serious blights on our history
>(black slavery, indian genocide), but to compare the level of freedom today
>in the U.S. with that in the USSR is doing a grave injustice to those
>suffering in that country.
>
    Yes there is injustice in the USSR, but a lot of the people there
say that there is just no comparison with the injustice going on in
the US. The problem is I don't think they know what is going on over
here, (I guess I mean North America).  The other half of the problem
is that we don't really know what is going on over there! I think we're
all pretty much on the same moral plane. It seems that whatever nation
a person is born in is the greatest nation on Earth, and all the rest
come second. It's called national chauvenism. 

>Both the quantity and quality of police state tactics  in this country 
>pale by comparison to those used by the KGB.
>
>
    Speaking as a relatively independant observer, and one who 
actually favours free enterprise, etc. I have noted that the rumours
I hear about the KGB, (and that is all they are, rumours), are very
similar to the rumours I hear about the CIA and the many other 
"security" organisations in the US. None of these groups is likely
to let you or I find out what is really going on! Consequently I
suspect that your statement is a result of a slight bias of your own.
Well, there's a lot of that going around and your probably in good
company.

Cheers,		Fred Williams

PS. Why did the US come down in favour of South African Whites in
the UN recently?  Is it because the communists are backing Angola?
I would not want to be white,(which I am), and in South Africa at 
this time. Perhaps SA needs an Abe Lincoln?!  Maybe the US could do
with him back again too??