Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site watdcsu.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!watnot!watdcsu!herbie From: herbie@watdcsu.UUCP (Herb Chong [DCS]) Newsgroups: net.women,net.politics Subject: Re: Watch them closely when they quote statistics Message-ID: <1562@watdcsu.UUCP> Date: Thu, 25-Jul-85 20:12:35 EDT Article-I.D.: watdcsu.1562 Posted: Thu Jul 25 20:12:35 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 26-Jul-85 07:56:45 EDT References: <1519@watdcsu.UUCP> <1520@watdcsu.UUCP> <28365@lanl.ARPA> Reply-To: herbie@watdcsu.UUCP (Herb Chong [DCS]) Distribution: net Organization: U of Waterloo Lines: 53 Xref: watmath net.women:6640 net.politics:10070 Summary: i had a look at the newspaper article that David was refering to when he started this discussion. in the pie charts, a wedge labelled 40% actually occupied about 47% of the area and another part labelled 24% occupied closer to 20% of the area. lest you think that the difference isn't all that great, i suggest you draw a chart and divide it up accurately using a protractor. visually, the difference is tremendous. another chart had a slice labelled 49%, but occupied only 40% of the area, and 34% occupied about 45% of the area. what is even more interesting is that in none of the pie charts do the figures add up to 100%. in the corner of the diagram, the source cited is ILO. i'm not sure if this means that the actual pie charts were reproduced or they were just the source of the numbers. whatever the source, the figures are grossly misleading and are also the thing that people remember the easiest. the bar chart representing proportion of women in the workforce is just as bad. for one thing, the ratio of the number of male figures to female figures is much larger than the percentage figures on the labels. for another, the male figures are physically larger then the female figures, although one supposes that one male figure equals one female figure in the chart. the worst thing, and slightly more subtle, but more damaging is that the file cabinets in which these figures are placed are drawn in prespective while the figures are identical in size from front to back. this makes the male figures in the back appear much larger than the female figures in front. it is unknown whether the person who drew these figures had these effects in mind when they were designed, but they definitely are slanted toward a viewpoint that women are overwhelmingly overworked and discriminated against. the numbers in the figures support this view, but not in the visual proportions implied. i don't think it is coincidence that the newspaper article was about how far women still had to go in fighting discrimination. i think that the misrepresentation made by the diagrams certainly influences opinions, but can make some of the claims in the article less believeable. there was a book several years ago that i read that was titled something like "How to Lie With Figures" or something like that. it is entirely devoted to the techniques such as described above so that people reading papers and such would not be caught by visually misrepresenting figures. i am not judging content of the articles but the misleading method of visual representation of numbers clearly indicated in the diagrams. Herb Chong... I'm user-friendly -- I don't byte, I nybble.... UUCP: {decvax|utzoo|ihnp4|allegra|clyde}!watmath!water!watdcsu!herbie CSNET: herbie%watdcsu@waterloo.csnet ARPA: herbie%watdcsu%waterloo.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa NETNORTH, BITNET, EARN: herbie@watdcs, herbie@watdcsu