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From: fsks@unc.UUCP (Frank Silbermann)
Newsgroups: net.singles
Subject: Re: The Value of Chutzpa
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Date: Sat, 27-Jul-85 15:42:01 EDT
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Gregg Mackenzie:
>>It's this self-assuredness that turns women on.  I'm not saying that you
>>should become a complete asshole.  I don't believe in using women the way
>>Joe Studd does.  I'm just saying that a little bit of this sort of cockiness
>>in your attitude can help you fill out your date calandar.  Of course, if
>>you really can lick your eyebrows, nevermind. :-)

Chris Andersen:
>	First of all, you violated rule #1 of net.singles
>	"Never assume that you know what turns MOTAS on".

That's a stupid rule.  One of the purposes of this newsgroup is
TO FIND OUT WHAT TURNS A MOTAS ON.

Chris Andersen:
>	It was an interesting article with some good advice.  However....
>	Doesn't it seem kind of unfair for the women (in this case)
>	to ignore the person who is socially inept JUST because he
>	is not a charming individual who even makes a "hello" sound
>	like a gift from God?

Try to see the woman's point of view on this.  The woman wants to find
the best man for her that she can.  The optimal solution would be for
her to meet each eligible man on creation, get to know him well,
and then choose the one she likes best from among all those who like her.

Clearly, this "algorithm" is infeasible.  To save time, the woman resorts
to a heuristic that she hopes will be nearly optimal.  She meets only
a representative sample of all eligible men.  Even this sample is too large,
so she quickly prunes off those men who do not show promise at first meeting.
Of course she stands to eliminate a man who would have been good for her,
had she only gotten to know him better.  But this is unavoidable with ANY
feasible system.

One such pruning rule is:
If a man seems to doubt that he is good enough for her, well, who is she
to disagree?  He ought to know.  He certainly has no incentive to appear
worse than he really is.

Furthermore, if a woman has a fetish for bold, swashbuckling men,
and you refuse to strut for her, well, you're not being very considerate
of her needs, are you?

Chris Andersen:
>	Frankly, if a women dismisses a guy JUST because he can't say "hello"
>	without stuttering a little (a condition resulting from several years
>	of being a "wimp"), then perhaps the women isn't even worth the try.

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

	Frank Silbermann