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From: brower@fortune.UUCP (Richard Brower)
Newsgroups: net.singles
Subject: Re: "The Invisible Partners"
Message-ID: <5410@fortune.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 30-Jul-85 15:00:34 EDT
Article-I.D.: fortune.5410
Posted: Tue Jul 30 15:00:34 1985
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Reply-To: brower@fortune.UUCP (Richard brower)
Organization: Fortune Systems, Redwood City, CA
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Summary: 

In article <2155@pucc-h> aeq@pucc-h (Jeff Sargent) writes:
>It is a bit saddening when I post an article which is intended to show that
>I have a new degree of understanding of possible causes for people to be
>gay -- when I try to show that, though I still consider homosexuality
>suboptimal, I am making an effort to understand those who are in that
>lifestyle -- and I am met with a flame.
>statements that I may have made...or are they really not inaccurate at
>all, and hitting too close to home?

Quit looking for reasons that people are gay, quit trying to find differences
between gay people and 'good Christians', and quit referring to gay people
as suboptimal... and you won't get flammed by gay people when you make an
ass out of yourself by your stupid statements.

>As I wrote above, I was trying to show
>sensitivity; if you didn't take it that way, that's YOUR problem.

Let's show some sensitivity, who has got the jackhammers?  Oh, you don't
think my jackhammer on your skull is sensitive... well, that *is* your
problem.

>Pejorativeness is in the eye of the beholder.

It sure is, but if many gay people find your statements about gay people
to be offensive, perhaps it is because there is something to see.

>This concept certainly helped
>me to start integrating the archetypally masculine side of me into my life;
>and I figured that a concept which was directly on target and helpful for me
>stood a good chance of being generally true.  After all, I *am* a human being.

Good for the concept, and I'm glad that you feel that you are getting
integrated.  Many gays have no problem integrating their masculine sides
into their lives... or allowing their feminine sides to be a major portion
of their lives.  Oh, some gays have problems (like, "I'm gay, I guess I have
to be a hairdresser"), but more schools like the Harvey Milk school in New
York should help.  What would be better is if people would quit trying to
make gays out as being either intrisically different from other people
or supersinners.  You seem to have given up on the latter.

>Basically I'm saying this:  As I reach a state of greater personal wholeness
>and integration, the homosexual desires I have felt in the past recede more
>and more, and the heterosexual desires get (sometimes inconveniently) stronger.

Sounds like you are doing a good job of brainwashing yourself into traditional
Christian values (but better watch that lust stuff).

Richard A. Brower		Fortune Systems
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