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From: israel@tove.UUCP (Bruce Israel)
Newsgroups: net.singles
Subject: Re: Emotions and choice
Message-ID: <291@tove.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 30-Jul-85 02:59:27 EDT
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Posted: Tue Jul 30 02:59:27 1985
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Reply-To: israel@tove.UUCP (Bruce israel)
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In article <1345@pyuxd.UUCP> rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) writes:
>>>Glad you had such fortuitous circumstances.  Does that imply that anyone
>>>who was in the same boat you were has a "choice" like you had? [ROSEN]
>
>> 			====================
>> 			=  YES!  It does!  =
>> 			====================   [PEASE]
>
>So far, I've gotten three assertions that amount to just "Yes, it does" with
>no substantiation.  Is this a trend?  A movement?  A religion?  :-?

C'mon Rich, give them a break!  If someone in that situation doesn't
have a choice, then obviously the only option is to get out of the
marriage without violence.  After all, Julie was in that situation,
and since someone in that situation doesn't have a choice, the only
possibility was obviously what she did.

Obviously people in that situation have many choices.  They could do as
Julie did; they could kill their husband; they could rob a bank and go
to jail; they could learn to love being beaten up; they could try out
for the Dallas Cowboys as a free agent ( :-), it might not affect the
situation, but its one of their choices none the less.).
There are endless choices in that situation, some that will solve it,
some that will make it worse, some that won't affect it. etc.

The statement that people in that situation have a choice has been
proven by example, i.e. Julie made one choice (to get out of the
marriage without violence), and there are women who are still in that
situation because they are too scared of being alone (i.e. they made
another choice).  Now don't get the impression that I am saying "Well,
women in that situation, you made your bed; now sleep in it." because
I'm not saying that at all.  I cry inside when I hear of people in
situations like that.  But nothing can be done about it until THEY
decide to do something about it.  Look at all the situations you read
about where the police arrested a man for wife-beating but the woman
refused to press charges.

These women do have choices.  Not that they shouldn't be helped just
because they have choices; Not that they should be blamed for the
choices that they've made; Just that they do have choices in that
situation, and the more women that actually realize that, the fewer
women who will remain in situations like that.

Rich, if its your contention that they don't have choices, and you are
so insistent on substantiation for statements, how do you substantiate
your claim?
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Bruce Israel   
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