Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site prls.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!prls!katzman From: katzman@prls.UUCP (Steve Katzman) Newsgroups: net.singles Subject: re: hurting by a no/ choice Message-ID: <183@prls.UUCP> Date: Sat, 3-Aug-85 08:08:10 EDT Article-I.D.: prls.183 Posted: Sat Aug 3 08:08:10 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 4-Aug-85 06:22:58 EDT Distribution: net Organization: Philips Res. Labs, Sunnyvale, CA Lines: 35 This is my two cents toward the discussion sparked by Julie Hoff about choosing/controlling/responsibility for our emotions or feelings. I don't think each individual person has an effective choice about e's emotions. E can make a choice, but can't control e's emotions directly. E certainly can indirectly. Emotion has a broad spectrum of meanings. In "The Concept of Mind" Gilbert Ryle makes some good arguments related to this issue. He argues that emotions are not "things possesed by someone" but rather inclinations to act in certain ways. He claims, and I am convinced, that some aspects of emotion are not even perceived by the person experiencing the emotions (e.g. "*I'M NOT ANGRY!!*"), at least not directly. Of course, some people immediately accept and act on other's feedback, but this is indirect and can be complicated. He concludes that emotions must be *determined* by the combination of the individual's perceived aspects of the emotion and the perceived aspects of the emotion perceived by others. These other people are (from this point of view) necessarily involved in the definition and control of an individual's emotions. One possible problem with this perspective is the case where a person is alone with an emotion. My personal experience verifies this. My friends can certainly make me feel happy or sad, with only my implicit and indirect permission: allowing them to become a part of my life. Steve Katzman seismo!philabs!prls!katzman -- Steve "What's going on?" Katzman seismo!philabs!prls!katzman