Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site pucc-i Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!CS-Mordred!Pucc-H:Pucc-I:aaz From: aaz@pucc-i (Marc Mengel) Newsgroups: net.singles Subject: Re: Choice Message-ID: <1102@pucc-i> Date: Mon, 5-Aug-85 22:07:19 EDT Article-I.D.: pucc-i.1102 Posted: Mon Aug 5 22:07:19 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 6-Aug-85 12:24:02 EDT Organization: The Hackers Liberation Front Lines: 42 Followup-To: net.singles Path: ...!pur-ee!pucc-i!aaz Keywords: choice , emotions Summary: Everybody wants to get into the act Ok. I've been listening to this discussion about choice and emotions for some time now. So hear me out, I'd like to make a few points. >> [paraphrased...] Let's say someone hits you over the head with a >> two-by-four. Are you saying you CHOOSE to feel pain? Yes. I have seen people, (with some training, of course) reach into a hot fire and take out a coal, SLOWLY, without (so they claim) feeling any pain. Or burning their hand. I have also seen people BREAK two-by-fours with their head, hands, etc. This requires a concious choice beforehand, lots of training, and a lot of discipline. It can be done. Anybody can learn to do these things. It is each persons choice. There is, of course, a price for such control. It is paid in time and effort. Everyone chooses one or the other -- the possibility of pain or the certain price for avoidance. Whichever you choose, you are right. "You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice, If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice..." -- Marc Mengel Uucp: { decvax, icalqa, ihnp4, inuxc, sequent, uiucdcs }!pur-ee!pucc-i!aaz { decwrl, hplabs, icase, psuvax1, siemens, ucbvax }!purdue!pucc-i!aaz