Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site phoenix.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!phoenix!brent From: brent@phoenix.UUCP (Brent P. Callaghan) Newsgroups: net.space Subject: Re: Tropics Message-ID: <1250@phoenix.UUCP> Date: Mon, 29-Jul-85 09:37:43 EDT Article-I.D.: phoenix.1250 Posted: Mon Jul 29 09:37:43 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 31-Jul-85 02:16:42 EDT References: <2803@mordor.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Information Systems, Lincroft NJ Lines: 35 >A book I was reading recently mentioned that over time the >angle of the plane of the ecliptic changes. The consequence is that >the latitude of the tropics also move. While this makes sense, the >book also stated that there is no formula which describes the motion >over time. Is this really true? The context was that certain >archeological sites are solstice oriented and could be accurately >dated if it was known in what year a Tropic was at X latitude. Just >curious. As far as I know, this process is known as "nutation". The earth's axis of rotation precesses around a point in space with a period of 20,000 years or so. Superimposed on this motion is another motion with a much shorter period. I think nutation is caused by sun-moon gravitational effects on the earth's equatorial bulge and tidal friction. The effect over time is that the season's slowly shift around the year, so that in 11,000 years time you'll be eating lettuce salads for Christmas dinner like New Zealanders do! As far as I know - nutation IS predictable. There is even a clock somewhere with extra dials for years, centuries etc. The slowest movement is the nutation dial. Interestingly, the earth is not fixed to it's axis of rotation. The north & south poles can move tens of yards every year. I've seen a map showing the south pole moving erratically (drunken walk) within a radius of 100 yards or so. I don't think this movement is predictable. I guess they have the barber pole on wheels . :-) -- Made in New Zealand --> Brent Callaghan AT&T Information Systems, Lincroft, NJ {ihnp4|mtuxo|pegasus}!phoenix!brent (201) 576-3475