Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site mordor.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!lll-crg!mordor!@S1-A.ARPA,@MIT-MC.ARPA:mcgeer%ucbkim@Berkeley From: @S1-A.ARPA,@MIT-MC.ARPA:mcgeer%ucbkim@Berkeley Newsgroups: net.space Subject: Re: Tropics Message-ID: <2849@mordor.UUCP> Date: Mon, 29-Jul-85 16:09:38 EDT Article-I.D.: mordor.2849 Posted: Mon Jul 29 16:09:38 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 31-Jul-85 22:43:16 EDT Sender: daemon@mordor.UUCP Organization: S-1 Project, LLNL Lines: 37 From: mcgeer%ucbkim@Berkeley (Rick McGeer (on an aaa-60-s)) > > A book I was reading recently mentioned that over time the >angle of the plane of the ecliptic changes. The consequence is that >the latitude of the tropics also move. While this makes sense, the >book also stated that there is no formula which describes the motion >over time. Is this really true? The context was that certain >archeological sites are solstice oriented and could be accurately >dated if it was known in what year a Tropic was at X latitude. Just >curious. > > jim@tycho > Wrongo. The phenomenon you're referring to is called the "precession of the equinox" and the values have been calculated *very* precisely. Roger Bacon first pointed out the phenomenon is the 13th Century, and showed that if the Julian calendar were not changed, then sometime in the 30th Century Easter would occur in midsummer (the rate of precession is about .75 days/century). The solution he proposed was the one adopted in the Gregorian calendar, in which Leap Years are not held in century years and are held every 400th year: so there was no leap year in 1900, there will be one in 2000, but there won't be one in any of 2100, 2200, 2300. Incidentally, the world shifted to the Gregorian calendar at varying times. The Roman Catholic world did it first, in the 16th Century -- but that was after the Schism, and so England didn't follow suit. For 200 years England's calendar trailed the European by first 9, then 10, then 11 days. England finally converted in the mid-18th Century, to riots (11 days were dropped from the calendar at the stroke of a pen). Russia converted after the Bolshevik revolution; this is why the "October revolution" was really held, by Western calendars, in November. Rick.