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From: muffy@lll-crg.ARPA (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: opportunits, women
Message-ID: <716@lll-crg.ARPA>
Date: Sat, 20-Jul-85 13:23:04 EDT
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Posted: Sat Jul 20 13:23:04 1985
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In article <554@hou2g.UUCP> scott@hou2g.UUCP (N. Ersha) writes:
>
>
>-> Why don't you guys go out and get your corporations to provide good 
>-> child care instead of participating in useless socio-sexual pedantry?
>
>-> Catherine Mikkelsen @Teknisk
>
>Why don't people (couples) who can't support children
>stop having so many of them.  Granted, in a large number
>of "woman head of household" cases the woman may have expected
>the husband to "provide" and then he may have run off without
>paying child support, but I hardly think this is the rule.

I thik it is the rule.  There are many fathers who do not pay 
child support.  Many of them don't make enough money, others
figure that it's not really their responsibility, etc.  My
father never paid child support.  Luckily for us, my mother
was quite capable of working and making enough money to support
us all.  However, it would have helped her a lot if some decent
child care had been available, especially if  it had been pro-
vided by the company she worked for.  As it was, we went through
a series of afternoon-care people, and she had to do a lot of 
running around after work...to pick us up, and do whatever else
needed to be done, like shopping for food so she could make 
dinner.

>
>Nobody has the right to expect ME to pay for their children
>(via welfare, etc.) except for the case above.  If their religion
>doesn't allow or believe in birth control, that's just tough shit.
>Make BIRTH CONTROL free--it's a lot cheaper than welfare support
>payments.
>                       Scott

It happens that women with one child, or two, need child care
facilities as much as those with ten.  Regardless of the number
of children, you can't just leave them alone in the house all
day.  Of course, you're better off here if you have a lot of children,
since then some of them are older and can look after the younger 
ones.

Anyway, birth control *is* free, or nearly so.  Planned Parenthood
asks for a donation, which is *not* required.  The size of the
donation asked is based on the income that is claimed by the 
person.  It is also fine to donate *any* amount, above or below
the requested donation.  Of course, lots of people are bombing
and picketing their facilities, and standing outside harassing 
their clients.  How would you feel if you went for birth control
and got harassed, then you "have an accident" and go back for
a pregnancy test, through a line of people shouting at you,
then go in for an abortion, which is not one of the less upset-
ting incidents of your life, and are stopped at the door by a person
handing out literature about how what you're about to do is really
murder?

Now that birth control is free, how about making it possible for
people to get it without other people harassing them?

>				Scott