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From: regard@ttidcc.UUCP (Adrienne Regard)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: anti-rape tactics, a conundrum
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Date: Mon, 22-Jul-85 13:37:08 EDT
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Posted: Mon Jul 22 13:37:08 1985
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>>> ....Presumably, if some man
>>> is at a party, he's known to the hosts and others there....
>>> ...if he misbehaves he's in deep shit with his peer group.
>>Is he truly in trouble with his peer group, or only if the rapee is an
>>intimate of one of the men in his peer group?
>How silly of me.  I've always been concerned with women getting raped,
>whether friend, aquaintance, stranger, or intimate.  Now Sunny speaks,
>and tells me that I'm only concerned if the women is an intimate of mine.

Geez, Ross, lighten up!  You can read it from a slant and get steamed, but
you can also read it from another slant and get the gist of the legitimate
question:  if the woman is outside the peer group, there may well be a
suspicion that she has (1) falsly accused this good friend of all these
guys (2) asked for it (3) is framing him because he _didn't_ do something
(4) etc., etc.  It's also possible that the peer group will never know of
the charge against "their friend" unless the woman is also a member of the
peer group.

Sunny didn't say a damn thing about what you thought, Ross.  You went way
out on the deep end and jumped in, all by yourself.  Then went on at some
length about how Sunny, personally, is somehow morally irresponsible in
her postings and opinions.  That's nasty.  I'd apologize.

>YOU TELL US HOW TO DO IT.  GIVE CONCRETE EXAMPLES THAT ARE ALREADY
>PROVEN TO WORK, AND TO WORK IMMEDIATELY.  AND TO WORK FOR ALL SOCIETIES,
>AND ALL WOMEN.

Numerous people have made suggestions, Sunny included.  This kind of raving
set up is. . .well, probably is embarrassing to you right now, so I'll not
bother going on.

>The population has more women than men in it.  The US is run sorta
>like a democracy. WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILTY
>INHERENT IN BEING A PERSON?  If women wanted something badly enough, they
>could easily sweep the polls.

There are already laws against rape, Ross.  For what additional legislation
should women "sweep the polls".  For "the betterment of society?" with laws
that legislate ideas and attitudes?

I think you got up on the wrong side of the bed.  Sorry you're having such
a hard time with the courts.

Adrienne Regard