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From: jbuck@epicen.UUCP (Joe Buck)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: Portrait of Madonna and child
Message-ID: <175@epicen.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 23-Jul-85 01:16:00 EDT
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Posted: Tue Jul 23 01:16:00 1985
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Summary: nothing new about Madonna

> I'm just wondering.  It seems that throughout recent history, there
> have been women who dressed sleazily or trashily who were in the public
> eye, or who at least flaunted their sexuality as a primary facet to
> their public appeal.  No one (or at least very few) ever really seriously
> complained about them very much as "role models".
> 
> Now, along comes Madonna, who not only fits the above description, but who
> also promotes her "material girl" philosophy (which some seem to have
> interpreted as "use 'em and lose 'em", analogous to a famous similar
> expression used among some elements of the male community).  Suddenly,
> the uproar begins.  Could it be that this one element, this difference
> between her and those who preceded her, could be the source of the uproar?
...
> 					Rich Rosen  ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr

Come on. I suppose you never saw "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes", starring Marilyn
Monroe. The "Material Girl" video is almost identical (intentionally) to
Monroe's number "Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend" (she's even wearing the
same dress! She looks a lot better in it than in the garbage she usually
wears).

The point is, there's nothing at all new about the image of the golddigger
who uses sex to get what she wants. It's a throwback, in fact.

Video is ruining opportunities for serious female rock musicians, it seems.
There's far too much emphasis on the way the woman looks. I don't object
to musicians expressing their sexuality. It's the pandering to juvenile
fantasies that I have a problem with.

So what female musicians do I respect? Chrissie Hynde (!!), Tina Turner, 
and many others that you all are less likely to have heard of. These 
women are sexy, but they don't degrade themselves (or their fans)
to be that way.

I did like your .signatures though, Rich.
-- 
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George Orwell:
The slovenliness of our language makes it easier for us to have
foolish thoughts.