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From: sophie@mnetor.UUCP (Sophie Quigley)
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Subject: Re: Re: Re RAPE, etc.../ "provocative" dress
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Date: Wed, 31-Jul-85 14:16:07 EDT
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Women on the net, for the sake of humanity, when you read the kind of
bullshit underneath, try to think of all the *nice* *caring* men that
you know.  They exist.  I am very glad I know enough of them because if
my first contact with men had been from reading net.women, I think I
would have become a man-hater a long time ago.  Geez!  where do these
guys come from?   Thank god for the real world outside of the net!

Men on the net, how can you let jerks like all the ones in this
newsgroup speak for you like that?  I am serious when I am saying that
the more I read the net, the more I believe that nothing much has
changed in the relationships between the sexes.  Please, prove me
wrong!

Here is the article that prompted me to put down those thoughts:  this
guy is right out of the wizard of Oz, all tin, no heart.  Patricia (and
many other women before) recounts an incident when she was sexually
harassed even though she was sick and at her most unnatractive (pardon
me Patricia, but you said so), and ends up with a plea for compassion
from some of the net readers, and in response, this guy starts a
debating match with her using stupid and irrelevant tit-for-tat
intellectual techniques.

oh, oh, I am getting mad now..  What will it take to get it through
your thick head that for most women, rape is a *real* (as in
experienced personally) threat and not just a very interesting
"topic".  It is not an idea that women get raped a lot, it is a FACT.
So why don't you listen for a change to the people who have been raped
and try to be a bit more human about the whole business instead of
turning it into a manly intellectual exchange.  We've had enough of
your manly intellectualisations of our real problems.  If you don't
stop your fellow men from raping us, we will have to do it ourselves
and that won't be pleasant, that's all.

Rape is a *manly* thing.  It has nothing whatsoever to do with women.
Women are victims because they are weaker and have been conditioned to
be passive.  They are simply good targets.  You want proof?  ok,
segregate the sexes.  You can easily find very good examples of
all-male and all-female societies when you look at prisons.  What
happens there?  in men's prisons men rape each other.  In women's
prisons, nobody gets raped.  If that doesn't make it clear that rape is
a male thing, I don't know what does.  So take back your sh*t about
"provocative clothing" and go stuff it somewhere.  In prison, everybody
wears the same clothes!

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> > I don't believe the provocative dress bull**** for a minute.  Having
> > been attacked while I was violently ill (which had me running in&out
> > of the bathroom), looking quite pale, disheveled, and in baggy clothing,
> > it is clear to me that that subhuman male did not care a twit for how
> > provocatively I was dressed.  
> 
> Oh, well, clearly that settles it.  I mean, if ONE exception occurs
> (yes, yes, I know this may be/probably isn't an exception), then the
> "rule" can't POSSIBLY be correct, right?
> 
> >So, please guys-- show some respect!!!  It makes me ill to see so many
> >men try to defend those who deliberately harm others.  I cannot for the
> >life of me understand putting down obviously hurt women by defending,
> >excusing, or even "understanding" the actions of assailants.  It is a
> >collosal insult.
> >						Patricia Collins
> 
> So, please gals-- show some respect!!!  It makes me ill to see so many
> women try to defend those who deliberately misunderstand others.
> I cannot for the life of me understand exploring obviously important
> topics by defending, excusing, or even "understanding" ideas.  It is a 
> colossal insult.
> 
> Actually, you're right, of course.  Let's not try to understand assailants.
> Let's just lock them up, and throw away the key (or better yet, KILL them).
> Then, if more "assailants" evolve, we'll deal with them the same way.  But
> let's not waste time on understanding them; we wouldn't want to attack the 
> cause, just the symptom.
> 
> 						Scott Berry
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Sophie Quigley
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