Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site zaphod.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!alberta!sask!zaphod!pauly From: pauly@zaphod.UUCP (Paul Yeager) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: rape and firearms and death Message-ID: <318@zaphod.UUCP> Date: Thu, 1-Aug-85 02:56:47 EDT Article-I.D.: zaphod.318 Posted: Thu Aug 1 02:56:47 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 4-Aug-85 08:43:09 EDT References: <191@cuuxa.UUCP> <2919@sdcc3.UUCP> <2301@sun.uucp> Reply-To: pauly@zaphod.UUCP (Paul Yeager) Distribution: net Organization: Develcon Electronics, Saskatoon, SK Lines: 61 Summary: In article <2475@sun.uucp> sunny@sun.uucp (Ms. Sunny Kirsten) writes: >> > It's time to recognize our constitutionally guaranteed >> > freedoms (including the right to bear arms, which cannot constitutionally >> > be infringed upon by the Feds, the State, the County, nor the City) >> > Sunny >> >> It so happens that carrying a conceiled weapon within the New York City limits >> is illegal. Carrying a weapon in public without conceiling it is no longer >> considered stylish :-) > >You missed the point... the New York "Law" is illegal... that is, it is >invalid because it is counter to the constitution of the United States >of America, which it may not supersede. Either that or the U.S. >Constitution has been suspended and none of us are under constitutional >law, i.e. that in governmental actions of 1913 or 1933 we all were >placed under Admiralty Jurisdiction by the Declaration of State of >Emergency which has existed ever since. > >We weren't talking style, we're talking seriously about defending women from >violent attack. > You're mixing two separte issues here - 1 - The constitutional right to bear arms in self defense 2 - The (perceived by some) right to carry a concealed weapon In most states, it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon (guns, knives etc.). For those whose situation merits it, in most states a permit may be obtained to carry a concealed handgun.(albeit at quite a price). It would be nice if we could insure that only those with permits actually did carry concealed handguns. If we changed the law so anyone could do it, how many ex-cons and probationers do you think would carry a piece that now would not consider it, as it almost guarantees a trip back to the big house. Furthermore, I presume your interest is self-protection and not a desire to kill someone for having violated (or looked like they might violate) your right to go about your life unmolested. If my above presumtion is correct, I suggest to you the best protection might result from carrying a gun in open view. If some sick person spots you toting a 357 magnum, they are most likely to look for other prey. Before I get mercilessly flamed for the above, let me state that I realize there are a multitude of consequences of having lots of people toting sidearms. Society must somehow insure that people who carry a gun are well trained in it's use, aware of the consequences of it's use, and are not going start gunfights over a parking place ( it's happened in my hometown, Miami). A tall order for certain, but maybe less tall than solving the psychological problems of rapists, muggers, and robbers everywhere. Paul Yeager (Miamian surviving in Saskatoon) {the known universe}!ihnp4!alberta!sask!zaphod!pauly no problems, just challenges.