Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site prometheus.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!prls!amdimage!amdcad!amd!vecpyr!lll-crg!gymble!umcp-cs!prometheus!pmk From: pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) Newsgroups: net.physics Subject: Re: White Holes? Message-ID: <166@prometheus.UUCP> Date: Sat, 17-Aug-85 01:10:54 EDT Article-I.D.: promethe.166 Posted: Sat Aug 17 01:10:54 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 20-Aug-85 06:57:50 EDT References: <3656@decwrl.UUCP> Organization: Prometheus II Ltd., College Park, MD Lines: 86 > possible for time to reorient itself by the same mechanism that causes > black holes inside the black holes. This would explain the cosmic jets > we have observed in the distant regions of the universe. > John Williams Interesting! > My intuition tells me that the universe is a continuous function. Two things tell us that the universe isn't continuous. First, the "big bang", and second, the constant "h bar" or even the fact that particles are not points. Time can more understandably be viewed as as "unfolding" of sequential infor- mation arrays like the distinct frames of a moving picture. The framing rate for a particle like a neutron would be ~(m*c^2)/() where "m" is the mass of a neutron, "c" the speed of light, and "h" Planck's constant. The framing rate decreases with the increase in effective mass of a neutron due to its general and special relativity effects (its position in a dense gravitational field or in rapid motion "velocity space"). If space were continuous then an infinite number of points would exist along a path an "inch" long. Scanning this space with a "point" test particle would not discover any "spatial holes" or gaps where "points" aren't defined (exit). In fact all of the information known to man (and the angels) could be put into a binary code and stored in such a space. Our space is "grainy" and there are gaps and spaces, and nature has a special trick to make it "look" continuous. Mathematically it is a "delta function" and in reality it is "the particle" The trick is also used by physicists to smooth out grainy data on a film strip. It is simply to make the width of the film scanning aperture or "slit width" wide enough so that there is always a few grains within view. Making the aperture even wider reduces the fluctuations and makes the output even smoother and perhaps less exact. > My intuition tells me that the universe is a continuous function. > This would not necessitate a creator, where would a creator come from? > A mathematical function simply exists. > John Williams Energy is more or less proportional to the square of "grain density" or "information density". That means if we pack information into a smaller space, the energy density goes up and the time or framing rate goes down. That also implies that as the framing rate decreases each frame has more "persistence" There is obviously information in our 3 space and that and the operators that "process" it are together what constitute entities we observe as par- ticles. Information could also exist in two space and 1 space, independent- ly of whether or not three space exists. Of course, the "physics" of those spaces would be different than for three space". The idea is that informa tion could flow from a dense higher energy density form to a lower density form. Then it could flow from 1 space to two and from two to three. In the latter transition it would appear to create a big bang and condense into the preferred form of three space, namely, matter. Also as "existence" (or information) perculates down from one to two dimensions, time activates and then in thee dimensions passes at a faster rate or "speeds up" Since lines can cross in two space and in three space, points exit and areas (surfaces)/ volumes can be delineated. That means that a multiplicity of objects can exist in those two spaces. But in one space there can only be one object because location is absent. One can not cross two lines to produce a point, without moving out of that space. If the grain density is infinite there, then existence would be infinitely persistent and time would not pass. There would be only one direction. So the concept of space and time would be contradictory as we know it. Words like eternal and omni- presence can also be used to describe such a state. True that physics can not understand the creation of the universe YET, it may well do so in the future. The idea that time is quantized seen as the continuous discreet fading and replacement of information "frames" means that in a sense the process of creation is still going on. This would occur for each and every particle in the universe. Are we just an ensemble of information, a sort of rapidly exchanging three dimensional arrays of matter generated by billions of little information processors called particle.? If thats true then we too are "compound" entities which display and process information. As to where to find the CREATOR, I would vote for an infinitely dense and continuous independently existing one dimensional space as the place for the CREATOR to exist. This is perhaps a little net.religion, net.- cosmology, and net.metaphysics; but, what the hell. Oh "hell" by the way is .. . .. . maybe some other time. :-) - - NOTE: MAIL PATH MAY DIFFER FROM HEADER - - +-------------------------------------------------------+--------+ | Paul M. 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