Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site utcsri.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcsri!hogg From: hogg@utcsri.UUCP (John Hogg) Newsgroups: can.politics Subject: A naval presence in the arctic Message-ID: <1386@utcsri.UUCP> Date: Thu, 12-Sep-85 13:34:06 EDT Article-I.D.: utcsri.1386 Posted: Thu Sep 12 13:34:06 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 12-Sep-85 14:10:55 EDT Reply-To: hogg@utcsri.UUCP (John &) Distribution: can Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto Lines: 38 Well, it appears that the Honourable Members have received the message about demonstrating our ownership of the Great White North. For those of you who have not read the Mop and Pail or equivalent, we will be building a Class 8 icebreaker (i.e., one which can break 8' of new ice) at a cost of about half a billion dollars. In the five years that this will take, we will draw straight baselines and hold naval exercises (but only during the summer, since we have NO naval icebreakers). These are all good things, and not even the Loyal Opposition had any valid complaints to make. However, it still leaves us without a meaningful military presence in the arctic. While (presumably stationary) listening stations will be established at "choke points", we won't be able to do anything about what we hear. One COAST GUARD (not CF) icebreaker will not be able to get to noisemakers in time, and couldn't do anything if it did get there. No, this is not a reversal of my earlier statements: I believe that our flag-waving ships should be minimally armed, not unarmed. And I can see no way of arming an icebreaker (and a civilian one at that) to take on subs under the ice that would not be hopelessly high-tech. The answer would seem to be a fleet of diesel subs as small as is consistent with extended underwater operation. I retract an earlier statement: they should NOT be attended by icebreaker mother ships, as the cost and speed of movement disadvantages would be too great. Rather, they should operate out of perhaps two or three strategically placed bases. For a wild guess, a fleet of four could be built for the cost of our Polar 8 vessel. (Please - I did NOT say in lieu of!) This figure was pulled out of the air, and assumes small, low-tech vessels. I will see if I can back it up. The one obvious special arctic requirement is the ability to cut a snorkel-hole through thick ice, presumably with a steam- or hot-water jet. Any comments on a better or cheaper way of doing the job, or even a question as to whether it needs doing? -- John Hogg Computer Systems Research Institute, UofT {allegra,cornell,decvax,ihnp4,linus,utzoo}!utcsri!hogg