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From: ray@rochester.UUCP (Ray Frank)
Newsgroups: net.abortion
Subject: Re: Equal access to pleasure
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Date: Sat, 24-Aug-85 11:41:36 EDT
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> 
> No. Biological inequality is not an injustice. Social policy
> can be unjust. The efforts of the Government to track down fathers
> are simply insufficient or ineffective; just look at the rise in
> single parent families headed by women. Besides, when the parents both are
> poor and barely able to support themselves, finding the father is not of
> much help, is it? The fact, sir, is that unwanted pregnancies and children
> have a cost, and that cost is borne by women, not as a consequence of
> biology, but because of social policies. By seeking to remove what recourse
> women have  to reduce such a cost, pro-lifers are increasing it. I
> feel it is not surprising that most pro-lifers are male. At some
> level, they know that the consequences of their advocacy will be paid
> not by them, but by women. That, sir, is unfair, and unjust.
> 
> Marcel Simon

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To what degree should fathers be tracked down?
Ever hear of one nignt stands (I call it mutual masturbation)?  It happens to
a great extent in women getting pregnant.  You don't know each other and don't
owe each other anything the next morning or at 4am when you part and go
your seperate ways forever.  No one should bear the responsiblily of your
irresponsiblity, and that includes the male involved.  Both of you entered
into an unwritten aggreement at the bar or where ever you met.  We are strangers
and mean nothing to each other after tonight, for tommorrow or next week I'll
be at it again.  If the male gets VD, he has no recourse in terms of making
the women pay for his treatment.  If the women gets VD or gets pregnant she
as well should have no recourse in making the male pay.  
It would seem silly if a women tracked down the father of her baby and stated
that out of the dozens or more guys I've been with you are the father and now
I want you to build your life around me, marry me, or pay for my abortion, or
pay child support, built me a house, go to work everyday for the next 20 years
and pay one quarter of your wages to me and your child, and all this because
of 30 minutes of idle meaningless dribble in a bar and a hop in the sack.
Not a very sound base with which to build a life on.
If you play you must pay means YOU must pay not someone else.
But you say, what about the male, he goes merrily on his way?  Sometimes yes,
sometimes no.  He may be emotionaly distraught at times because he's been
hooked on one of his triumphs and there is no return of affection.  Or perhaps
there is a return of affection and a relationship develops, they fall in love
only to discover she is pregnant by some other casanova, marries her, and
supports her and someone elses child.  No one gets off scott free in this world
for anything, what goes around comes around.
I've known many males who've married their dream girl who was raising a child
out of wedlock.  So he's not supporting someone he's made pregnant, but he is
supporting some other males child.
But again you may say; OK, great, now I'm pregnant.  I have to build my life
around an unwanted child because of those 30 minutes of blah, blah, blah. If you
got herpes your life style would change, if you got AIDS your life would perhapsend.  If you got pregnant and then an abortion and the abortion screwed up your
reproductive system, you would still end up with an altered life style.
The point is that it is not always a pregnancy that alters one's life style.
Or that someone can come around and make it all better, such as finding the 
father and making him pay.  There are things in this life that only YOU are
responsible for and only YOU will be made to pay the price for because your
actions are in fact YOURS.  On abortion, I don't believe that the fetus should
be made to bear the responsiblilty of the actions of the mother by aborting it.
Yea, I know I'll get flamed for saying this and probably for a lot of the above,but on the subject of abortions and sexuality, how can anyone say anything
without inflaming someone.  I'll just have to take my chances.