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From: mn@dscvax2.UUCP (Matt Noah)
Newsgroups: net.abortion
Subject: Fetal Pain - Waffling on the Issue
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Date: Sat, 17-Aug-85 13:05:20 EDT
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> Matt Noah discussed the pain that a fetus feels when it is being aborted.

> Even if I concede that a fetus 2 months old can feel (which I don't), I am

Fetal pain is not a matter of concession on your part.  Fetal pain is a
medical fact.  The nervous system is mature to the point that pain is a
biological fact.  Just as the fetus responds to other stimulation at this
stage, he or she can feel pain.

> much more concered with the much greater amount of pain and suffering which
> we create for people who have exited the womb. We do know that they feel 
> pain. I believe that if we men spent more time trying to improve our ways 
> of relating to all peoples rather than trying to control women, we would

Maybe you try to control women, and if you do you should stop.  

> create a world in which there was much less pain for persons both born and
> unborn. We would create a world where there were far fewer women who would

You are so inconsistent.  In the first part of the paragraph you state that a 2
month old fetus doesn't feel pain and now you say that if men spent more
time relating better to all people that there would less pain for an unborn.
Perhaps if you ever stood still I could see where you stand.

> get in situations where they felt that they needed an abortion.

> richard foy

Matt Noah