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From: garys@bunker.UUCP (Gary M. Samuelson)
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Subject: Re: Re: Gary vs Charles
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Date: Wed, 28-Aug-85 11:07:06 EDT
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> SIGH.  Gary, Charles, between the two of you a cat fight has started.
> Can't you see that you are BOTH generalizing?

True, and, as I said in my last response to Mr. Forsythe's note, I
am dropping it.

[on drawing conclusions about life from Romeo and Juliet]
> But they are not necessarily INVALID [as an English minor I can no longer
> waltz past this one].  Just as the Bible is based on LIFE, Gary, just as
> Jesus used little stories (we call them parables) to illustrate his point,
> the artists draws on Life (his/her experience thereof) to make a statement.
> Shakespeare is not necessarily a manual of how to live, but the illustrations
> of human nature ARE, I daresay, valid -- else why do so many of us see Truth
> in his works?  (And don't discount me out of hand, I worked hard for an A+
> arguing that point.)  

Oh, I agree with you.  But I thought it strange that someone who rejects
out of hand quotations from one book (the Bible) would quote Shakespeare.

> Charles has a point, she MIGHT go against her parents wishes.  She might
> not.  What I've read of Gary's writings suggest that he won't say, "Don't
> have sex because I told you not to."  [Although he has supported
> other parents' rights to do so.][The ends justify the means, as it
> were -- I'm not supporting it, I'm only pointing it out.]

Not so much that the ends justifies the means, but that each parent
(or pair thereof) has to decide how to raise their children.  You
should be able to surmise that I might try to persuade other parents
that "because I said so" isn't an adequate answer.

> [Although, may I suggest Gary, next time you be more careful in
> your choice of examples.]

I'm not sure what you mean -- the example was chosen by Mr. Forsythe.

> When did 'Groin Control' say 'Sex is Bad'?  To me it means 'Sex should be
> selective.'  [Gary, are we in agreement?]

Substantially.  It also means that I am in control of my body, not
the reverse.  Blaming one's hormones, or whatever, is a copout.

> (good luck, Gary -- what you dream for is not entirely impossible).

Thanks for the encouragement.  Thanks also for a cool breeze in
a usually hot newsgroup.

Gary Samuelson