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From: ray@rochester.UUCP (Ray Frank)
Newsgroups: net.abortion
Subject: Re: Planned Parenthood posting
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Date: Fri, 30-Aug-85 10:44:41 EDT
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Posted: Fri Aug 30 10:44:41 1985
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> > Ah, I can see that from your question that you are not yet fully developed in
> > the area of intuitive reasoning.
> 
> Yes, of course.  You can tell this from the fact that I disagree with you.
> 
No, how about just disagreeable.
> 
> Not believing in a god, I sure don't.  But it makes me wish that there were
> a just god of some sort to take care of your kids in light of what you might
> be doing to them.  You, my friend, seem to be beyond both hope and prayer,
> set in cement as you are.
> 
Did your parents tell you at an 'early age' that there is no God or did you just
deduce this yourself at an 'early age'.

> 
> 
> >>I'll ask you what's "old enough to understand".  (In fact, I did!!!)  And I'll
> >>ask what information they would get other than "don't do it" from the likes
> >>of you.  (I did that too.)  Putting words in other people's mouths?  Or
> >>trying to pull teeth to get information?
> 
> Nice to see you looked up the words "punk rock" to replace "acid
> rock".  You'll make a real "hep" parent.  :-)
> 
Good of you to realize that punk rock replaced acid rock.  But unfortunately
'punk' and its like is even more decadent than its predecessor.
 
> >>>>The erosion of the family isn't coming from outside, it's coming from
> >>>>within:  from parents who fail to take responsibility for the proper
> >>>>raising of their children to think for themselves and become adults,
> >>>>by being so strict as to restrict independent thought processes, making
> >>>>them dependent on sticking to established conventions rather than seeking
> >>>>their own way.  By sheltering their children from the real world because
> >>>>they think it's best for them, only to find that the kids can't cope once
> >>>>they get out there with real people (and real influences, bad and good).
> >>>>By leaving a television set in charge of the kids as their babysitters,
> >>>>and then wondering where they got all these strange ideas from.
> 
> 
> > But seriously, I can't agree with you more that a lot parents are destroying
> > the lives of their children.  And society will untimately take the brunt of
> > the errors of parents.  What we are seeing in parents could get worse or
> > better.  If it gets worse, then more misfits are dumped into the stream of
> > society, which in turn, turn out more misfits and so on.   But may I be so
> > bold in stating that I believe that good parents hold the edge over not so
> > good parents in numbers.
> 
> > And while I believe this is true, then I must also
> > hold to my beliefs that the main responsiblity of raising children must
> > remain in the hands of the parents, not schools, or any other outside
> > organization.  And I will attempt to defeat anything that trys to undermine
> > the authority of the parents or to destroy the family unit of America.
> 
> (Someone play the Stars and Stripes Forever and wave the flag.)  You have
> a built-in contradiction there.  It is precisely miserable parents like you
> would apparently be who are in fact willfully destroying the "family unit"
> of America.

Thank you. In the remark above, you have helped my point tremendously.  
You exhibit the twisted logic that is very much evident in today's youth. 
Turn up your headphones, and learn from the 'logic' of some heavy metal (brain
damaged) rock group.  Even the albumn cover I saw with a bloodied chain saw 
being extracted from someone's groin must have some social redeeming value
when examined with the 'logic' of the illogical.
> -- 
PS.  You asked what kinky sex was,  well it's this way, normal sex is when you
rub your lover with a feather, kinky is when the chicken is still attached.
> 						Rich Rosen   pyuxd!rlr