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From: rick@iddic.UUCP (Rick Coates)
Newsgroups: net.kids
Subject: Re: Time for bed. Nope.
Message-ID: <2163@iddic.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 6-Sep-85 12:18:53 EDT
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Posted: Fri Sep  6 12:18:53 1985
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> >> In article <1214@teddy.UUCP> lkk@teddy.UUCP (Larry K. Kolodney) writes:
> >>	Discipline based on fear is worse than no discipline at all.
> >
> > [you've all seen this many times about the four-year-old]
> 
> Try this:
> 
> (an alternative that shows some sympathy and attempts to deal with a child
> as if (shock!) he/she were a real person.)
> 
> -- 
>  Gary Benson  *  John Fluke Mfg. Co.  *  PO Box C9090  *  Everett WA  *  98206
>    MS/232-E  = =   {allegra} {uw-beaver} !fluke!inc   = =   (206)356-5367
>  _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-ascii is our god and unix is his profit-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ 

It's good to see that there are some people on the net who can deal with
children in the same way that they would deal with other people.  (Although
I suspect that the 'beat them into submission' group would deal with everyone
that way if other people weren't apt to fight back)

In all this discussion, I haven't seen A. S. Neill (of Summerhill school fame)
mentioned. (This should really add fuel to the flames of the Rambo school of
child rearing.)  To get things off to a good start, I will re-iterate Neill's
distinction between what he called 'freedom' and 'license'.  Giving a child
a choice between reasonable alternatives is different than allowing a child
to do anthing she/he pleases. 

By the way: I have taught public school in an inner-city school (seventh and
eighth grade math - I had over 200 students every day); I have worked with
elementary school aged children in a before/after school program (Latchkey);
I have taught in Upward Bound (not Outward Bound) in a live-in summer program;
I have also taught in suburban junior and senior high schools.

I also have a six-month old daughter.

Rick Coates
...!tektronix!iddic!rick

(I can't say that I really understand the last line of Mr. Benson's signature,
but it sounds good (-: [for lefties] )