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From: tan@ihlpg.UUCP (Bill Tanenbaum)
Newsgroups: net.kids,net.legal,net.politics
Subject: Re: corporal punishment in schools
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Date: Wed, 4-Sep-85 13:39:44 EDT
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Posted: Wed Sep  4 13:39:44 1985
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[Ray Frank]
> In article <1214@teddy.UUCP> lkk@teddy.UUCP (Larry K. Kolodney) writes:
> >	Discipline based on fear is worse than no discipline at all.
> > 
> I must pose to you a situation involving a parent child confrontation.
> Parent :    Time for bed.
> 4yr old:    Nope.
> 
> Parent :    Please, time for bed now.
> 4yr old:    Nope.
> 
> Parent :    You must go to bed now.
> 4yr old:    Nope. 
> 
> And so on, what would you do?  Remember, you said discipline based on fear is
> better than no disipline at all.  You're not allowed to threaten to take his
> teddy bear away.  You're not allowed to tell him he can't have ice cream if
> he doesn't listen.  Are not these tactics based on threatening the child with
> fear, i.e. no ice cream, take away your buddy the teddy bear.  I really want to
> know what you would do without some kind of threat.  By the way, you are not
> allowed to bodily carry him to bed, that would be physically taking matters in
> hand and over powering him with your size.  Besides, he would just climb out of
> bed and come downstairs.  What WOULD you do?
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	Oh, come on, Ray.  Talk about setting up a straw man.  The restricting
of privileges (e.g. ice cream, teddy bears, etc.) is not the same thing as
hitting the kid.  We are allowed to do such things!  Something is greatly
askew in your value system if you think that these actions are equivalent
to physical violence.  I pity your kids (and you) if you would hit them
for not wanting to go to bed.
	Oh, by the way, I have two children, both well past
the age of four.  The above situation never occurred with either of them.
I wonder if it's heredity or environment!
-- 
Bill Tanenbaum - AT&T Bell Labs - Naperville IL  ihnp4!ihlpg!tan